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4.3 No benefit taking a whore as a student or wife.
Nice one. There are other things to do in life than beat the drums.
For me it's not particularly about what Yi might 'teach', nor even about Yi itself. More about helping people feel connected and at home in their lives - with roots, or with a Well, not stranded on the surface. It's just that I came across this uncannily talkative old book that does the job beautifully.
What does come to mind is 26. In the present, 26 holds the means to accomplish "the mission", though I've no idea what mission it is. Going to look at the lines in 4 and 26, because they feel connected. The question is an open one, as though saying "You see my question about missions and such. Please show me a clear picture." So I draw two models:
Hex 4, lines 1 and 3, changing to 26.
Hex 26, lines 1 and 3, changing to 4.
4.1 Develop the ignorant, but don't persist.
4.3 No benefit taking a whore as a student or wife.
26.1 Harvest to stop at danger.
26.3 Refine pursuit. Probing leads to harvest.
Anyway, do you have a sense of mission with the Yijing? If so, what is it? How do you go about implementing the mission? Plus any other thoughts you may have on it...
I never have considered preaching YJING, but after reading about prisoners getting the book, I am almost ready to, lol!
Hi Bruce, I don't understand,
Did you 'throw' 4 to 26, or were you meditating on it?
Also, I have been thinking about line 3 in hexagram 4 for a while now. for me there is a different take on it than the whore or gold digger.
Say there is a woman who is a real social light. One day she meets a Daoist immortal in a gold statue. She gives up all her party ways and shaves her head and lives on beet greens. She leaves all her friends and tries to cultivate her chi. But all she succeeds in doing is miss her own happiness.
The YiJing does not want students like that. The Yijing would rather have her keep her social life, it does not require her to give up who she is, o r what she fundamentally is. It may be that someday she does shave her head and live on beet greens, but it would come from a real place in her, not out of awe, throwing herself away at the feet of the idol.
Just a few two cents which I am sure, Bruce, that you already have thought about, in relation to missionary zeal.
Hi everyone. Love hearing your stories, Luis, Hilary, Trojan.
I never have considered preaching YJING, but after reading about prisoners getting the book, I am almost ready to, lol!
bruce_g said:Anyway, do you have a sense of mission with the Yijing?
Umm, no. But I don't think I ever had a sense of mission with anything else either. I don't see the point, really.
If I am - let's say - a Buddhist and you are a Hindu or an atheist we may have a very interesting conversation about our differences and what we have in common. We may even have a heated debate. But ultimately your religion or the lack of it is probably as good (or bad) as mine. Why would I try to win you over?
My ways are my ways, your ways are yours. Hopefully my ways are good for me. They might drive you nuts, though, or even kill you.
Who am I to decide what is good for you?
Try to give them a taste? Oh yes, sure, if (I think) I have a bottle of good wine. But is that already mission-ary?
Of course it's a gliding scale, but the word 'mission' involves more, I think. A longterm commitment to the task of convincing (many) people that this is really excellent wine .. something like that?
But now I'm beginning to wonder, do I have no mission at all in life?
What about a lifelong commitment to the task of convincing at least a few people that _I_ don't taste so bad after all?
Hmmm, well, you can't blame me, even Jesus tried to do that.
I think one can not entirely eliminate any single aspect of human behavior (i.e. any hexagram) and yet be whole.
Some people say missionaries work hard to convince others in order to deny their own doubts. If I convince you that I am right or know something good, then it must be true, no?
Lindsay
it is by attraction not promotion that the Yi wins its followers
Does the Sage have a mission?
Yes, the sage has a mission, the mission is self enlightenment not to broadcast to all and sundry.
The dedicated student also has a mission to seek enlightenment from the sage, to go seek for themselves the knowledge that they are searching for.
There is already one person on this forum who preaches his version of the I Ching, doesn't that really turn you off of missionaries and their zeal to conqueror.
Yes, the sage has a mission, the mission is self enlightenment not to broadcast to all and sundry.
The dedicated student also has a mission to seek enlightenment from the sage, to go seek for themselves the knowledge that they are searching for.
There is already one person on this forum who preaches his version of the I Ching, doesn't that really turn you off of missionaries and their zeal to conqueror.
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