Hex 34 unchanging and Hex 11.2.4>55

[beithe]

Hi everyone
These are the result of questions pertaining to my daughter. She is having a nasty time at her place of employment and as of today she feels she should find something else. As I heard part of the phone conversations and messages I agreed with her...initially. Now I am not sure.

"As it stands now what is her situation?' was the first question and I received 34 unchanging.


"How can she act with righteousness in this situation" and received 11.2.4>55

I have looked in four translations at this point and they all seem to at least point to making sure that her behavior leaves no room for complaint on the part of co workers. The term "righteousness came from Huang but Karcher also made the point that she should act in a way that does no harm. Other things indicated are that this cycle is ending and not to be afraid to head, I guess, into unknown territory.

Help?

beithe

 

[rosada]

From Secrets of the I Ching, Joseph Murphy:

34.
As you give service lovingly, faithfully, and continue determined to do the right thing, you will succeed.

 

[jesed]

Hi beithe

Just in case the comment could be useful

This seems to be a hard situation; started between May and June of 2006 and consolidated between Sept-October, 2006. Your doughter seems to be stocked in past situation, like a goat entangled in a hedge.

Very often, 34 arise when we need to understand better our situation, when we are acting with some kind of stubborness, trying to force things. And that actitude is what entangled our life. So, the way to improve is "losing the goat" (goat=stubborness)

The lines of hex 11 advice about have a kind and gentle actitude toward other people and "without boasting"

Best wishes

 

[beithe]

From Secrets of the I Ching, Joseph Murphy:

34.
As you give service lovingly, faithfully, and continue determined to do the right thing, you will succeed.

Hi and thank you Rosada,
That is primarily the kind of employee she has been. They said about her last week in an employee meeting that she was dependable and always went the extra mile for others. So the treatment I witnessed today is more apalling. I do not tolerate nastiness well and it seems there has been quite a bit of it for the last few months. So even though I agree, who wouldn't?, with J.Murphy's line above what do you do when your the only one doing it?



Hi Jesed
What you wrote is definitely useful. My daughter bought a house in March of 2006 with her boyfriend of 4 years. By June of 2006 he was talking online to a girl that he left to live with in October 2006. This left her with a mortgage that he wants no responsibility for and now he has defaulted on the car loan. They got these things because he made good money and she had gold star credit history. If it had been up to him there was no bank that would have looked at him twice. It has been a real mess but she has moved mountains in the past 3 months. She needs this job,obviously, but I know she needs to move on to something else too.

Some of the translations I read said things about a cycle ending, disentangle yourself from the past,that this is a period of growth with new beginnings possible if she will just reach out for them. But I know she fears leaving what she has because we live in an area that is not exactly filthy with jobs.

So where does "advance/pervading" come in? 11
Or for that matter "abundance/abounding"? 55

Karcher calls 34 "great invigorating strength" and LiSe "Man of Stone" (determination)

What is happening right now is not a good thing at all.
Thank you for your thoughts

beithe

 

[rosada]

Hi beithe,
I wonder how much help your knowing more about the situation at her work can really be? I mean, it sounds like you're being told that, despite how awful these folks appear, the important thing is if she can continue doing her job to the best of her ability, she'll be okay. Whether the work situation is good or bad isn't addressed. Maybe it's the old "All the oceans in the world can't sink the ship if the water doesn't get inside" story. So even though there are sharks out there, if she can just do the job in front of her they can't eat her. And maybe that's all you, her mother, really need to know about the sharks.
Perhaps a more fruitful line of questioning would be along the lines of, "How should I be with my daughter at this time?" Like, should you be urging her to hang in there or urging her to look else where or just listening, or avoiding the subject entirely?" From the encouraging things the I Ching seems to be saying I would think you are being encouraged to encourage HER that she is doing a great job, that is, build up herself esteem. (There may be specific things you could do) Perhaps when she is feeling strong about herself, she'll then know for herself if she should look elsewhere, or how to handle these people if she decides to stay.

Best wishes,
Rosada

 

[pinefox]

"As it stands now what is her situation?' was the first question and I received 34 unchanging.

Hex 34 says before she makes any decision, she must think real careful and not be headstrong. She should listen to advice but if she continues on the wrong path she is only creating future problems for herself. She should wait and not be hasty, no agressive force must be used, she should only take action when the time is right, and then believe in herself and not be sidetracked.

"How can she act with righteousness in this situation" and received 11.2.4>55

Hex 11.2 says that she has to put up with all kinds of undesirable people that she does not like but she should do it for the moment. She should also be prepared to take somekind of risk as well. She should focus on the home first of all.

Hex 11.4 maybe she will get some help from the powers that are.

Hex 55 says that the good times are rolling around once again, so she should make the most of them.

 

[beithe]

Hi everyone

Rosada said...
I wonder how much help your knowing more about the situation at her work can really be? I mean, it sounds like you're being told that, despite how awful these folks appear, the important thing is if she can continue doing her job to the best of her ability, she'll be okay.

I guess it is a parent thing. Your children get dragged through the keyhole and you get dragged through with them. She is usually so blunt and straightforward I hate to see her in a situation where she seems to be begging for understanding. But I think your correct in it not being helpful to know as much as I do. And I do think that she can continue, actually has no choice, to work there until she finds something else. Maybe the hard thing for me is the "no choice" feeling this situation engenders.

Perhaps a more fruitful line of questioning would be along the lines of, "How should I be with my daughter at this time?"

This is my question for this morning when I can have some peace and quiet.
Odd thing to have a problem with since I live alone. It is my own head that is too noisy.


pinefox said...

Hex 34 says before she makes any decision, she must think real careful and not be headstrong.

LOL. Headstrong and my daughter are fast friends. That is how I am now counseling her. Initially I was livid and of course wanted to see her leave them hanging. That didn't last long and when I calmed down enough to do the reading I could see that flying off the handle was not the wise thing to do.

Hex 11.2 says that she has to put up with all kinds of undesirable people that she does not like but she should do it for the moment. She should also be prepared to take somekind of risk as well.

The first part of the comment is true for all of us, right? I think the problem here is that she had felt that these two women were her friends. They went out of their way to get her to come back to this job. (She had to find another job for awhile due to childcare issues) So it is difficult to understand what has been going on since.

The second part of the comment.............. ? Risk? Maybe she will be taking a risk just by staying there?

Thank you both it was nice to get up this morning and find some support and good advice.

beithe:bows:

 

[beithe]

Well since there is no peace in my head I threw the coins anyway and got 53.6>39.
That seems to be a commentary on my life. I think. Any input is appreciated greatly
beithe

 

[rosada]

Do I understand correctly that it is appropriate to interpret the second hexagram as being the surrounding environment of the situation? That is, we would then say that within this environment of being 38. Obstructed the superior man (beithe? Her daughter?) should "turn his attention to himself and mold his character"? And then the first hexagram and line tells how more specifically? In this case, hex. 53, by " abiding in dignity and virtue in order to improve the mores"?
Line 53.6 could be saying Mom's done a good job raising her daughter, but perhaps in this instance she can do no more. Mom's work is completed? Could the "feathers" mean something of beithe's she could give her daughter as a keepsake to remind her she is loved? I think of Dumbo holding the feather to give him the confidence to fly!
I once had a friend who did readings at psychic fairs. Her would tell people about themselves based on what they had on their key rings. If their keys were all facing the same direction (orderly life) or strung on every which way (confused life) and then she would note what sort of charm they carried. It was uncanny how significant the charm turned out to be, even to the untrained eye. For example I remember one lady who was morbidly obese who had more charm's than keys. Another who's issue was a chronic lack of funds had a tiny coin purse for her charm, but she never put any money in it, thus her archetypal purse was always empty! Perhaps beithe, you could give your daughter a really classy key ring or a charm that says/means something like "MOM THINKS I'M FABULOUS AND MAMA DON'T LIE!"

Further thoughts...considering that once these girls were really good friends, I wonder if the "feathers" could be a referance to some symbol of those good times in the past. Maybe your daughter has a picture of the three of them together happy. She could put it on her desk to remind everyone of what we really mean to each other. If not a picture, a momento. Even just a napkin from the coffee break when they were all laughing together...

 

[beithe]

Rosada said~
Do I understand correctly that it is appropriate to interpret the second hexagram as being the surrounding environment of the situation? That is, we would then say that within this environment of being 38. Obstructed the superior man (beithe? Her daughter?) should "turn his attention to himself and mold his character"? And then the first hexagram and line tells how more specifically? In this case, hex. 53, by " abiding in dignity and virtue in order to improve the mores"?


Yes, Rosada I think that would be correct. If ever anyone (en masse) were limping along it would be us. And to view it that way makes far most sense than reading it from left to right. In fact I have had several readings that have made more sense that way.

Line 53.6 could be saying Mom's done a good job raising her daughter, but perhaps in this instance she can do no more. Mom's work is completed? Could the "feathers" mean something of beithe's she could give her daughter as a keepsake to remind her she is loved?

Yes. What a lovely idea I even have a feather to put with it.

Rosada you really helped my day.
Thank you
beithe :bows: