Just curious how iching would perceive me

[Topher]

I have asked some questions just for fun
What am I ?
15.4
Who I am?
21.3.5.6
How close am I from my goal(s)?
34.4
Will I attain all my goals?
14.4
Describe my luck?
58.1
what is my subjective happiness for me?
1.6
is the purpose of my life the one I believe?
8UC
what is my level of current enlightenment?
6.2.3
Will I get the goal i desire?
58.2.5 / 58.3.4

so what do you think?
I am not sure how to interpret the second question it makes less sense than the first one since it the first one would be suitable for the second question

I am a humble person who clings into old situations and gets into difficult circumstances where I can find something useful but I dont listen to some people's advices, I am close to my goals by persevering on them, I accumulate enough power to compare to someone's else value. my luck is enjoying the moment rather than on looking on the outer circumstances happiness for me is something I have been aiming for something that if I chase it I might lose it. Yes I know what is my purpose in life

surprises me that iching tells me that I know the most important thing

I think the 2 questions might be referring to something else(I was talking in enlightenment about my life but for some reason iching answered for some other issue

 

[dfreed]

What do I think? Looking at your list, I'm reminded of an expression I've read, 'fixing the omen'. And I've heard a few different explanations for this:

One, from I Ching author Stephen Karcher is that it describes a ritual: if we got a good omen or reading we would then perform a ritual or offering to 'set' or 'fix' the omen so it becomes real for us.

Another explanation - of which there are accounts, and which resonates with me - involved doing a reading a second time: if you used yarrow stalks (the Yi), you would then pose the same query again, but this time using oracle bones (or vice versa). 'Fixing' in this case meant a kind of checking, sort of like the carpenters' adage, 'measure twice, cut once'.

What also comes to mind as a way that I can 'fix the omen' is to take enough time to know what it means and how I (or we) might (or can, or should) respond or act on it. It's about quality, not quantity: so, we ask a question, and then live with the response for a while (a day, week, ....), so that we can actually 'can find something useful' and really 'listen to (the Yi's) advice'.

And this makes me wonder: if I instead ask nine or a dozen (or more) questions all at once, am I able to really hear or heed the Yi's response? That's what comes to mind for me.

Best, D

 

[Topher]

Well I mean I have asked the same question twice for example about my luck and the answer remained possitive, this was omstly to see what iching believed about me(I have found sometimes iching has an opinion about people and they dont recognize it when the iching talks to them) it was an excercise of introspection

also fixing the omen isnt a thing sometimes iching has some attached concern of us, and the answer for next questions while unrelated are carried to the next set of queries. I mean asking twice isnt bad (because I got some questions answered with totally unrelated answers, I dont believe that it is wrong to ask a question twice.)

iching not only describes our subconciouss' concerns but also a reflection of ourselves and then gives and answer to our quesrions

 

[dfreed]

... iching not only describes our subconciouss' concerns but also a reflection of ourselves and then gives and answer to our quesrions

My point is not what the I Ching does (or doesn't do); it's about what we do with its response(s) - and do we take enough time to pay attention. You said above that you "don't listen to ... people's advice" so it made me wonder about this long lists of questions, and if it allows you to take the time to listen to the Yi's advice? Maybe you can. I just know my time and attention would be scattered by asking too many questions at the same time.

Just a thought. D

 

[Topher]

My point is not what the I Ching does (or doesn't do); it's about what we do with its response(s) - and do we take enough time to pay attention. You said above that you "don't listen to ... people's advice" so it made me wonder about this long lists of questions, and if it allows you to take the time to listen to the Yi's advice? Maybe you can. I just know my time and attention would be scattered by asking too many questions at the same time.

Just a thought. D

Well I was wondering what was its opinion not really an advice I know that the opposite of the flaw it describes is the thing I shouldn't do. but it was more of an excercise to know how I was being seen by th iching sometimes I received 21.6 and I wonder if it is someone else who isnt listening apparently is me

 

[dfreed]

someone ... who isn't listening - apparently is me

It seems you have your answer.

 

[moss elk]

sometimes I received 21.6 and I wonder if it is someone else who isnt listening apparently is me

 

[rosada]

As far as asking multiple questions I think it’s a matter of what works best for you. If you feel you get valid, useful insights from doing multiple casts then what’s the harm? The worst that can happen is you will find - as you did with your second question above - that the IC will make good on its threat that if you ask more than once it will give no (clear) answer.*

See hexagram 4 Judgement.

 

[legume]

I am not sure how to interpret the second question it makes less sense than the first one since it the first one would be suitable for the second question

interesting that for "what am i" you got modesty in movement and for "who am i" 21>49, maybe biting through that question will bring about some change for you, possibly Yi suggesting to not try to be or become "somebody" but just indeed, stick to the first one?

 

[Topher]

As far as asking multiple questions I think it’s a matter of what works best for you. If you feel you get valid, useful insights from doing multiple casts then what’s the harm? The worst that can happen is you will find - as you did with your second question above - that the IC will make good on its threat that if you ask more than once it will give no (clear) answer.*

See hexagram 4 Judgement.

I had asked a question twice because iching keep answering about her (and talked about hex 6) and the moving line 3 advices me to not keep judiging her from past actions(I am going ot be honest i have been getting 55.1.4 past weeks and I received 42 sometimes) and I have been seeing in the general tarot for Aries that someone from my past would come back for reconciliation and offer love me love (most says either a twinflame or karmic relationship)(and I got 42 so it is quite possitive) but I know that already and I even made her know but her own Christian beliefs (or being reluctant to admit she feels some attraction) made herself to block to the idea of past lives' existances and that God being possibly (related to ) the universe

anyway I have been getting the same advice from tarot as iching oddily 33.6 by distancing myself she would be attracted and possibly miss me

anyway I asked this because I was curious to know how iching perceived me, ended giving me the same advice for (trying to understand her) in the matter's enlightenment question(which wasnt the context I wanted I wanted to know how well I had evolved spiritually lol)

 

[dfreed]

I had asked a question twice because iching keep answering about her (and talked about hex 6) and the moving line 3 advices me to not keep judging her from past action .... but her own Christian beliefs (or being reluctant to admit she feels some attraction) made herself to block to the idea of past lives'

You said this thread is about the multiple questions you asked about "how iching would perceive me"? (And that you were only seeking an opinion, but not advice.) But above you're talking about 'her' - a woman I assume - and so I'm not follow the leap of reasoning or the story line ....

Are you offering us another example where you asked the Yi multiple questions about the same subject - which in this case, is a woman? Or are you saying that the Yi is a 'her' (a woman) and that you should not judge the Yi, or question the fact that the Yi is not attracted to you; nor judge the Yi's Christian beliefs - and the fact that the Yi doesn't believe in past lives?

I'm not sure if the ancient Chinese believed in past lives either. So maybe this woman of whom you speak - who might be the Yi or might be a woman with Christian beliefs - is speaking the truth? And that your many questions revealed this truth for you.

D.

 

[Topher]

You said this thread is about the multiple questions you asked about "how iching would perceive me"? (And that you were only seeking an opinion, but not advice.) But above you're talking about 'her' - a woman I assume - and so I'm not follow the leap of reasoning or the story line ....

Are you offering us another example where you asked the Yi multiple questions about the same subject - which in this case, is a woman? Or are you saying that the Yi is a 'her' (a woman) and that you should not judge the Yi, or question the fact that the Yi is not attracted to you; nor judge the Yi's Christian beliefs - and the fact that the Yi doesn't believe in past lives?

I'm not sure if the ancient Chinese believed in past lives either. So maybe this woman of whom you speak - who might be the Yi or might be a woman with Christian beliefs - is speaking the truth? And that your many questions revealed this truth for you.

D.

I have asked about me but iching answered for previous concerns I happens I had to ask twice to get the answer for me lol what has to do with me an conflict? inner conflicts(I have but still that doesnt describes me during my whole life)?