Tarot

[just_me]

I see. What I use for position 3 is "distant past" but it is also the basis for the situation. What I use for position 5 is "near future" And position 6 is "distant future". Position 7 for me is "factors of the unconscious becoming conscious". But I think my order of placement is a little different from yours also (not that it matters).

The reason for the question about the crossing card was because I did a reading where the covering card was "the devil" and the crossing card was "the chariot". I was baffled because "the chariot" is usually regarded a very positive card. Later I found out that this person was going through a hard time and that was probably "the devil". "The chariot" I think meant that they were trying to control the situation too much rather then going with the flow.

 

[bradford_h]

Hi Dharma-
I'm curious about your opinion here.
As I mentoned above, I have a Gua for each of the 78 Tarot cards. Given this, I've always looked at the positions of a particular spread as the equivalent of the Questions which are asked of the Yijing, e.g. what is the basis of the matter or what stands in my way. Of course there are as many spreads as there are mandalas where each position has a meaning, and so there are many Arrays of questions to ask.
As such, the refinement of your understanding of the particular positions in the Celtic Cross are the equivalent of better enunciation or articluation in aking a question of the Yi.
Thoughts?
b

 

[dharma]

Just_Me,
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I did a reading where the covering card was "the devil" and the crossing card was "the chariot". I was baffled because "the chariot" is usually regarded a very positive card. Later I found out that this person was going through a hard time and that was probably "the devil". "The chariot" I think meant that they were trying to control the situation too much rather then going with the flow.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

or... The Devil is a reflection of this person's circumstantial enslavement and the crossing Chariot is the competing demands on their time that throws them off balance and makes it hard to escape the chains of dependency as reflected by the cover card.

both of us are correct. i've just used more concise vocabulary and as a result got a tad closer to the root of the problem

Bradford,
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precisely, yes

 

[just_me]

Dharma,

It seems to me that our interpretations are different, but I defer your greater experience and sincere desire to read the cards truthfully.

 

[anita]

Dear Dharma,

In the Celtic Cross what would you say time frames are like? Do readings cover 1 year, a few months or more? What is the minimum amount of time covered and the maximum? How near is the 'near future'?

Thanks

Anita

 

[anita]

Dear Dharma,

In the Celtic Cross what would you say time frames are like? Do readings cover 1 year, a few months or more? What is the minimum amount of time covered and the maximum? How near is the 'near future'?

Thanks

Anita

 

[dharma]

Hi Anita,
i have found that when it comes to timing, how often one is used to consulting with the cards plays a big role. if i were to consult the cards everyday about a certain situation the time-frame will necessarily be focused on the very immediate. when i used to ask daily questions the readings i got were very mundane, slow and unexciting.

when working with someone else who, for example, isn't likely to be back for a reading for another 6 months, the reading will be addressing the next 6 month stretch. however, in a case like this, neither you the reader or even the client necessarily has this information at the ready.

only the Universe knows for sure, so...

there's really no hard or fast rule that i follow every single time. it depends on the circumstances, the question, and what cards have surfaced. generally, a reading reflects what is happening right NOW and so to determine time-frame often means using the intuition after surveying the reading as a whole.

for instance, are there a preponderance of "difficult" cards? these can indicate that it will take longer to resolve the situation than if most of the cards were "easy". multiple Aces and/or 9's can show whether the situation is in the process of beginning and/or ending. as well the 10's, many will reflect a transitional period (where one floats between cycles - a limbo). the major arcana cards strongly influence the reading too. some of them are necessarily "slow" processes like The Hermit, Temperance and The World. likewise, the process is faster when The Chariot, The Wheel of Fortune, or The Tower show up.

i find the whole issue of time-frame predicting sooo.....

unpredictable. i have found that people often get caught up in the transitional phase of a situation and that tends to throw time predictions out of kilter - we have free-will afterall. so even if a situation appears to be moving very quickly in the cards, it doesn't guarantee or mean anything really. at times, even asking your question in a very time-frame oriented way doesn't make much of a difference in "limbo" cases. remember, free-will.

ultimately, i find that it is of more value as a reader to consistently point out to the client (or to one's self) the importance of maintaining a focus on the NOW moment and not some future that unquestionably depends on how one is experiencing the present NOW. with that realization perfectly absorbed, the question of timing becomes a moot point then as one sets to work on what needs attending to rather than anticipating and waiting for a prediction to materialize.

 

[anita]

Hi Dharma,

Many thanks for enlightening me. Of course, the present does create the future and I'm happy with mine - but I believe once one knows the future, one is more in control of one's life. Thanks again.

Best for your Quest
Anita

 

[louise]

One can never know the future - at all.

 

[louise]

Look what happened to Macbeth

 

[chrislofting]

Louise,

data suggests otherwise, it is the method of eliciting the information and the time span involved in the developments that is the issue.

The 'path' of development is 'hard coded' in the universe and reflects general-to-particular dynamics. To know something 'now' requires information processing. There is a relationship of that processing to bandwidth/time dynamics where that dynamic is reflected in the general (time) to particular (energy, high bandwidth).

Work in sociology validates the IDM perspective on the 'transcendence function' and the 'transformation function'. These terms are syonymous with:

transcend / transform

energy(bandwith) / time
yang / yin
all is NOW / all is past-present-future

Our consciousness is too associated with the above left column and in need of understanding qualities/perspectives from the right column.

If we flesh-out these dichotomies we end up with a dimension that reflects the 'binary' ordering of the I Ching - at the trigram level this is:

111, 110, 101, 100 (yang side)
011, 010, 001, 000 (yin side)

The dynamics of the universe, reflected in social dynamics etc is (a) a core 'integrated' whole and (b) a process of exaggerating out of that whole 'new' states that then (c) 'attract' the rest to catch up but (d) in doing so allow for the 'new' to become the 'usual', 'mundane' etc. It is like as catapillar walking.

This dynamic path is FIXED such that the development process is the element in the RIGHT column being base from which emerges energy to become the LEFT column.

Due to the fixed nature overall, any dynamic takes on a zig-zag pattern over time (yang becomes yin, yin becomes yang) all done over the top of the fixed nature.

IOW the fixed nature is GENERAL CONTEXT and good adaptations means we all can 'shape shift' when being pushed by the context.

The revolution('new idea', charismatic leader etc) / evolution dynamic allows for the crossing of the border that marks the realm of yang from yin.

That crossing will push buttons such that what was once a 'yin' nature can take-on 'yang' characteristics due to the fixed context. Thus over time we have a path of:

T1 - revolution(yang) / evolution (yin)
T2 - evolution (yang) / revolution (yin)
T3 - revolution (yang) / evolution (yin)
...
...

Understanding all of this allows us to come up with GENERAL development paths and so determine future events.

What the recent work in networks finds is that REGARDLESS of chance/accident/local contingencies, the basic yin-to-yang base development continues (over which is the oscillation of yin/yang natures - context pushes as sets-off one or the other - see recent post to Candid on the male/female love thread etc) Note tha the same patterns are at all scales and it is this area that my focus is upon.

Chris.

 

[lenardthefast]

Hi Louise,

Was worried about you, long time, no postee. You sound glum?

Namaste,
Leonard

 

[louise]

Wot can I say - Happy Valentines day

Make sure you get up early to deal with all the mail xxx