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Yes, it's very clear. Toobad I wasn't smart enough to notice exactly what I was thinking in that moment, but at least I know I was reviewing the moving lines of hexagram 44 and trying to understand this reading...what an adventure without even moving from your chair!
the fact is if you can recall the specific thought you were "having" in that moment, when the car arrived.
in my past i had to "train" a bit for keeping the attention both on the thought and the fact going on: i was resetting the first one at once as the fact started manifestating (hope i'm explaining what i mean...).
I suddenly wonder if you can remember the Kajagoogoo...heh heh your story is very strange "You ball of stone" !? what was the reading you were looking up in Wilhelm ? Was it 16.2 by any chance ? Would you care to share what you thought the words meant ? well not if its too personal of course.
Quess which is the word .... Yes, cafeomancy
"reading coffee dregs" , I mean cafeomancy , is very common here in Greece.
Funniest thing is I had already been told, but I forgot the word!
Well, it's no wonder it's very common in Italy too, we share such a vast common ground in history and traditions...
I suddenly wonder if you can remember the Kajagoogoo...
Well, actually I'm still very confused about the possible meanings of it all... it's one of those readings that can take me a lifetime to interpret, firstly because I was trying to get some insight about the causes of my psychosomatic diseases, which is a life-long issue, and also because I'm afraid the question I phrased was too generic:
"Why do I feel so bad/sick?"
And I got 44.1,2,4,5,6 > 36 uch:
So you see, I got all these moving lines about entangled pigs, fishes in and out of the trap, melons and horns... and suddenly the additional image of a ball of stone descended from heaven by means of an unwitting messenger... well, I'm really not sure what it might mean, but I think something on the lines of LiSe's comment to hexagram 34:
"God made man from clay. He blew life into him.
But man prefers to be a stone, so he bakes himself into a brick, strong and invulnerable."
Except that a ball is round, not square as a brick...
ehilà! a send a hug to you and to the vibrating land you live!
Funniest thing is I had already been told, but I forgot the word!
Well, it's no wonder it's very common in Italy too, we share such a vast common ground in history and traditions...
it may be very common in both countries, seen the amount of coffee that we both, italian and greek people drink!!!
let me finish this coffee i have here now, then i'll go on chatting with all of you
if i may ask, did the guys speak italian? if yes, what did they say "palla di pietra?" language too may make a big differenceYou are sick because you are like a 'ball of stone' hmm well if you can relate to it in any way I guess its worth thinking over.... Possibly if you keep that ball of stone image in your mind, maybe even draw what it might look like or something, or make a story around it the image will stay alive and its meaning become more apparent to you as time goes on.
is the party still open to latecomers?
welcome aboard Neegula
Lol, yup !!!
Going out for a coffee is a ritual (hehehe) here. Its takes at least 2 hours.
It's a refreshing air to read you, neegula. Just wanna say that.
best wishes
Sorry, it was intended as pure silliness...Kajagoogoo ? weren't they an 80s band ? Why remember them ? Don't know what you mean ?
Stone is rigid, yes, and also cold... being called a "ball of stone" is totally meaningless in itself, but if you relate it to hexagram 44 it becomes very meaningful, I think... you know, I was uncertain if I had to interpret it as being unable to resist temptations or, on the contrary, trying to keep under control something that's too powerful for that... I hope you understand what I mean... the image of the stone clearly points to the second hypothesis, don't you think?The answer 'you ball of stone' well theres a number of ways you could take that...about rigidity mainly ? You are sick because you are like a 'ball of stone' hmm well if you can relate to it in any way I guess its worth thinking over....unless you decide to think it was afterall just a nut case calling stupid things out of a car window Possibly if you keep that ball of stone image in your mind, maybe even draw what it might look like or something, or make a story around it the image will stay alive and its meaning become more apparent to you as time goes on.
Well, the correct spelling is "buzzurro"... two "u", pronounced like in "boo", double "z" and double "r"... it's the phonetics that makes the word sound so funny, IMHO!Isn't there some saying abut a man with a ball of stone around his neck...some legend or myth about that ? Atlas carrying the world on his shoulders ? http://www.sculpturegallery.com/sculpture/atlas.html Does that look like you Buzzaro ?
Ok, stone is rigid and cold, but why a ball, why is it also round in this case...?"God made man from clay. He blew life into him.
But man prefers to be a stone, so he bakes himself into a brick, strong and invulnerable."
Except that a ball is round, not square as a brick...
Stone is rigid, yes, and also cold... being called a "ball of stone" is totally meaningless in itself, but if you relate it to hexagram 44 it becomes very meaningful, I think... you know, I was uncertain if I had to interpret it as being unable to resist temptations or, on the contrary, trying to keep under control something that's too powerful for that... I hope you understand what I mean... the image of the stone clearly points to the second hypothesis, don't you think?
Well, of course it was a nut case calling stupid things... but that's exactly what made me think of him as an unwitting messenger... somewhat like divining from animals' behaviour!
Well, the correct spelling is "buzzurro"... two "u", pronounced like in "boo", double "z" and double "r"... it's the phonetics that makes the word sound so funny, IMHO!
And yes, maybe the image of Atlas is also related to my issue, somehow... I noticed at work that I always take my duties much more seriously than most people around... which is fundamentally a good thing, but can have bad side effects... thanks for your help on this!
halloooo!!!!
i've been reading you here and there!
very glad to meet you!
"too shy shy, hush hush, eye to eye..."
trying to keep under control something that's too powerful for that...
Again from LiSe's site, the Shuo Gua on Qian, upper trigram of 44:
"11. The Creative is heaven. It is round, it is the prince, the father, jade, metal, cold (...)"
Eureka! ompom:
the problem itself carries within it its own solution, so Yi will just show how things are at the moment and only hint at the solutions that are waiting hidden in the situation itself, slowly ripening . .
i'm following, but there is something i...miss..
few words more? :bows:
not that i can read the situations myself, things are still mysteries . . it's just that sometimes there might be something like an insight that if we could really listen to the situations we would have the answers to our questions . .
rambling . .
There are 'echos' everywhere. The snippets of words you overhear on the television, for example. But it can be incredibly subtle, this tuning into the natural world, as well as into the unseen world.
Sudden inspiration is another manifestation. The steadying 'voice' that you hear in your heart is yet another.
But for divining, healing etc., a conscious effort to be aware of being present in the body ,
"centered," can increase alertness at moments. Some learn to do this naturally in other activities.
It may be in athletics or cooking a meal.
i post again what i was posting some days ago, few pages ago:
what you think does move our inspiration?
why are some people more on alert than other?
why in certain periods we are more alert than in others?
what is insight? not for a matter of translation this time, but of Existence
like dancing, if you think about it too much you are not going to move or get moved /QUOTE]
aha.... i see much more clearly now, perfect exemple..
why in certain periods we are more alert than in others? . . eehmm . . as far as women are concerned, I think it has a lot to do with our menstrual cycles .
so you're a woman!!! sorry, i thought you were a man!
it's 'silent' knowledge that we gradually accumulate but not necessarily mentally recognize and which, given a chance, is put to use becoming visible . .
ahaaa.. i agree and need time to digest really this you wrote, for language and subject...
for now:
?it is this "giving a chance".. saying YES or no to "opportunities" that life gives us to go through...?
?accepting love for our selves?
?being in peace with practical affairs and inner reality we live -with us and so with All?---but illusion runs fast among humans...
?detachment?
i'm curious though, how would you answer these questions yourself??
could you give me another 40 years to think it over..?...
i think there is, most of times, a karmic reason for all this (being awake, alert, and how much awake, close to our Real nature), but i don't accept totally the "excuse" of karmic reasons for i think it takes us away from responsability of being true.
anyway, i don't believe it is "simply" a matter of will. of course will has such an importance into our spiritual lives, but first knowing what one wants it is also basic.
thank you for sharing
i don't know myself if i have clear answers, that's also why i treasure so much yours...
maybe the meaning of all this it is that i have to look within myself more than what i'm doing... but i see that "good" connexions are made also to share all of this spoken.:bows:
so you're a woman!!! sorry, i thought you were a man!
40 years?? nocould you give me another 40 years to think it over..?.
i think there is, most of times, a karmic reason for all this (being awake, alert, and how much awake, close to our Real nature), but i don't accept totally the "excuse" of karmic reasons for i think it takes us away from responsability of being true.
anyway, i don't believe it is "simply" a matter of will. of course will has such an importance into our spiritual lives, but first knowing what one wants it is also basic.
thank you for sharing
maybe the meaning of all this it is that i have to look within myself more than what i'm doing...
I don't know if you follwed Mike's recent thread on 25 and quantum physics but there was talk there of 25 being like a wave that collapses under close scrutiny
just being, spontaneously, with no preconceptions or expectations. .
line5 in this reading is also related to 20.5 (following Bradford's transitional method)
just do what you got to do and don't fret too much about it ( yes, it seems to be that simple )
so . . I don't know really . . maybe 'less is more'?? (that could be 61.5 too . .)
anyway, i think i should stop, i'm reaching rambling point again (plus i've got this very same friend coming over for dinner tonight and i've got to do groceries will interrogate her more tonight and report back new findings )
i think there is, most of times, a karmic reason for all this (being awake, alert, and how much awake, close to our Real nature), but i don't accept totally the "excuse" of karmic reasons for i think it takes us away from responsability of being true.
I'll go ALL-IN that he is an ancient writer, just reincarnated as a good friend in this communityand, who is bradford?!!! one of friends here in community or an ancient writer?!
the 25 thread is here . .
oooh, Bradford is alive and among us . . he has done his own translation of the Yi ( check out http://www.hermetica.info/)
and 'transitional method' is a way he uses to read multiple lines, where you follow the lines' 'inner journey' from hexagram to hexagram until you reach your relating one. For example, in my reading, transitional hexagrams are:
25.1>12, then 12.4>20 and 20.5>23
(uhm, i hope it's clear how they come up, I'm not very good in explaining this )
gotta run!!)
I'll go ALL-IN that he is an ancient writer, just reincarnated as a good friend in this community
But it is true...most people misunderstand "Karma" as an excuse to avoid responsability.
Thanks for pointing that, Neegula .:bows:
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