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… I just asked about what my new way of eating gives me, and had a very clear, very interesting reply.
Truth becomes apparent
Yes, I had been asking other questions and understanding less from the answers - things like 'what would it be like to work with this person on this project?' The answers were helpful enough, but they were naturally describing a mixture of how I might feel and behave, how the other person might feel and behave, what the outcome might be, and so on. Asking what gift they give isn't exactly a better question, it's just one that creates a more strongly defined answer.HIlary, are you implying that when you've asked for similar insight about people in the past, before having stumbled upon that particular wording for the question, you've gotten poorer results?
If so, that perplexes me...presumably you were still asking well-formed questions and all, i.e., not falling into yes-no question traps and so forth...you see what I mean?
Lisa
Maybe... but seen very much in terms of how other people receive it.May I ask about this new way of eating? Trojan somewhere said it was too much soup. I remember recommending that your brother who ate slowly be given a larger spoon. Maybe you are using a smaller spoon
Isn't 'the gift' the same as one's genius -- one's unique individuality?
Yes, Pamela's a good thing .Thank you for the introduction to Pamela Moss! Fantastic stuff.
Maybe you caught it at a bad moment - try again.Hilary,
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It could... only it seems an odd thing to say. Think of 'gift' in a nice literal sense, as in thing wrapped in shiny paper and ribbons. It only exists so you can give it to someone. This would certainly be pointless if the contents of the shiny paper were always the same... but this is difference that brings people together. Pretty much the whole point of there being more than one human being, surely?Could be said that gifts are what keep people apart. It sets them apart, and all the more as a person matures, so long as they remain true to what they perceive themselves to be, in the very best terms. And, that, by choice, is only a choice.
hilary said:Truth becomes apparent
I question this. Not that it appears, but that what appears is Truth, rather than our preferred definition of Truth - truth of the day, which varies from person to person, as their gifts separate them.
It could... only it seems an odd thing to say. Think of 'gift' in a nice literal sense, as in thing wrapped in shiny paper and ribbons. It only exists so you can give it to someone. This would certainly be pointless if the contents of the shiny paper were always the same... but this is difference that brings people together. Pretty much the whole point of there being more than one human being, surely?
Thanks for the thought-provoking response - and hello, by the way .
and achieve some perspective, to see that the worry I am generating is not the true essence of who I am.
That is quite a gift.“
– Robin Weigert, Hollywood CA
Ahh... we're talking about this from opposite ends. 'Gift' as in the thing you're given, parable-of-the-talents style, and more or less compelled to do something with, as against 'gift' as in that which you give and others receive. Probably/possibly the same thing, but looks quite different from these different places.
...as against 'gift' as in that which you give and others receive.
i think bees and ants have gifts, the gift of Bee-ing a bee, be-ing an ant. thing is sometimes we look right past the gift
Sooo,
What you're saying about gifts - yes, but what would you propose doing about it? Everyone walk around hiding their lights under bushel baskets, hex 36-ish?
I don't actually think that's what you're saying (correct me if I'm wrong), but I'm also not understanding what the conclusion is that you are drawing. Any way you'd like to expound on that aspect? Thanks!
Lisa
it is a treat when someone actually listens to you.
Not all gifts are appreciated, especially if the timing isn't right, or if the gift isn't right for the time. There must not only be the right timing but the right receptivity to receive the gift. Otherwise a leg of the Ding breaks, and the wonderful content spills onto the prince, and not only goes to waste but also offends the one intended to feed and bless.
Yes, I had been asking other questions and understanding less from the answers - things like 'what would it be like to work with this person on this project?' The answers were helpful enough, but they were naturally describing a mixture of how I might feel and behave, how the other person might feel and behave, what the outcome might be, and so on. Asking what gift they give isn't exactly a better question, it's just one that creates a more strongly defined answer.
A wonderful reason for doing a reading, before giving a gift, so as to not muck it up! And, of course, remembering what our mothers told us about gifts we may have gotten from aunts and grandmothers for our birthdays, ha ha.
Well, both of those would be good, ha ha...and pretend you like the present, pretend you're grateful, it's the thought that counts etc., basically a whole lot of smiling and pretending so Grandma doesn't cryUm, wear clean underwear in case we're in an accident? No, wait. Wear their gifts when they visit?
basically a whole lot of smiling and pretending so Grandma doesn't cry
Painful personal experience?...a barbe grill that I'd have to assemble myself, a floor model with just a couple missing parts.
Painful personal experience?
And yes, it's definitely easier with things like socks...
Yes - at least, the reciprocity part. It's all part of a flow of exchange - couldn't exist if it weren't. (Like trying to 'give advice' to someone who isn't giving you their attention.) We just stick markers in the flow to label part of it 'offering' or 'gift' or 'payment', etc, etc....Personally I consider my work as an offer, like many people do when they work with their heart. That does not mean I do not expect something in return from it. Making an offering is loaded with expectations and feelings of reciprocity and justice.
I'm thinking of gifts more or less the same as you describe. I think gifts are wonderful, I don't mean to say they're not. I only mean that even gifts come with two sides. Hadn't thought about the talents parable or some such. I think that has to do with ethics and responsibility. The only responsibility I referred to was that which is implicit in the gift itself, that which comes with the gift. But I guess that includes responsibility, doesn't it? "To whom much is given, much is required." Though I wasn't even thinking that deeply into it. Just observing that gifts which are utilized include an equal share of blessing and curses. Maybe curses is too coarse of a word? Would yang and yin work better? What would the opposite of a blessing be?
I just don't see life ever happening in one direction, not even in a gift.
Maybe - and also, maybe you have to give it to others before it makes any sense to say you possess anything.Thinking about this during morning walk.
Don't you have to possess a gift before you can give it to others to receive?
Moi?Maybe I'm missing something here. Or, maybe your view of gifts are starry-eyed?
That's exactly the idea - that it's the essence. Not easy to know.i had an uncle who was a gifted but his talent was not his gft in the sense that I think(MHO) Hilary is asking about........this uncles's gift was his way of paying attention to you, he could make anyone feel like a million bucks simply because he was so open to one's input, no matter who it was. I dont even think he was aware of this gift, and it was certainly not something to keep him separate or to have to sacrifice for..it was his essence.
Yes - the pairing of 35 and 36 has been striking me a lot lately. I mean, what's the difference between Prince Kang and Prince Ji, really? Both are conscientious, do exceptional work in hard times... only difference seems to be that one is rewarded with a gift of horses and the other with imminent danger of disembowelling.You bring a good point about using or hiding light or using gifts. There's a reason and a ti-ming for 36, and a reason and a time for 35. They are a pair. Not all gifts are appreciated, especially if the timing isn't right, or if the gift isn't right for the time. There must not only be the right timing but the right receptivity to receive the gift. Otherwise a leg of the Ding breaks, and the wonderful content spills onto the prince, and not only goes to waste but also offends the one intended to feed and bless.
Am slightly sighing here, only because Yi sometimes says what it wants to say seemingly without regard to the actual question asked (which is sometimes but not always a good thing) - but then here's a situation where a really subtle change in the wording, not even necessarily the intent, of the question makes a dramatic difference.
I can see it since you've laid it out here, but, I mean, it took you however-many years to hit upon this wording for this category of inquiry, and you're a professional. Whatever are the rest of us to do?!
No, definitely not in one direction. A pair of readings I've used in the past:
What are my unique gifts?
What is my mandate?
In this sense 'mandate' (/calling/ destiny/ ...) could be the 'opposite'/counterpart of blessing. Yu the Great's 'gift' was to conquer the floods; this, by all accounts, was not fun.
. . . 'Gift' as in the thing you're given, parable-of-the-talents style, and more or less compelled to do something with. . .
It can certainly defy or oppose what you're 'meant' to be doing by any rational, established definition of 'meant to be'. Over his decades of labour, Yu is said to have walked past his home several times without going in, even when he heard his newborn son crying there. And Wu, at least in one version of the story, didn't observe the burial and mourning rites for his father because of the demands of his mandate. This wasn't universally held to be a good thing.I do not think a mandate would defy or oppose personal responsibility, accountability or timing. But then, it might.
It can certainly defy or oppose what you're 'meant' to be doing by any rational, established definition of 'meant to be'. Over his decades of labour, Yu is said to have walked past his home several times without going in, even when he heard his newborn son crying there. And Wu, at least in one version of the story, didn't observe the burial and mourning rites for his father because of the demands of his mandate. This wasn't universally held to be a good thing.
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