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The Yi never says only one thing.
It's all about what you grab onto.
Brad, is there enough information that you could say a bit more about that for this particular case? Information is a little bit sparse...for example, it certainly sounds as if Casstone got 8 unchanging for each of several readings on this topic, but she never actually used the word "unchanging." So even that might be a little uncertain...?
I was speaking to the meta-question in the thread title of course.
lisa said:but you did try working it out with the father first and you got nowhere. If Ashteroid thinks it means that you should remarry him or something, it seems like a stretch to go from "how can I take a trip with my daughter" to "remarry her father."
I didn't see 'working out' here. Just a formal request? Really? So I assumed there was almost no emotional connection with the father.casstone said:I.e. I first made the request to her fathers and when he denied, I filed a request to the court.
Yes, sorry, the more I thought about it, especially after seeing what Brad had to say about establishing trust and some sort of amiable relationship, I realized you probably weren't suggesting something as outlandish as remarriage. Sorry for jumping the gun there .Hi Lisa, of course I'm not suggesting the whole remarriage thing.
I guess we don't know that any of those things aren't happening. Casstone never said (in this thread, anyway) that there is no relationship at all. She said her daughter is with her 90% of the time, which does leave the other 10%. If that 10% is with the father, that's still a significant amount of time - 10% of a year is roughly a month. (Though I do realize "90%" may have been an approximation.)Just some reconnecting, a phone call, a photo of a daughter, skype session maybe.
That may be true.I think there maybe be a possibility that the father is afraid of loosing his daughter completely.
I don't know, since I've never been in that situation. It would probably depend on any number of things about Casstone and her life. For one, if Casstone really was scheming evilly to abscond with her daughter to another country (!), Casstone would have to be able to set up an entirely new life there for herself, too (finding a job, place to live, etc.).What would you feel in his place receiving a formal request to sign away his daughter to another country, temporary (or not ..)?
There is often lack of emotional connection between estranged parents. They're not together for a reason. Of course it's easier if the mother and father are able to get along well enough to work out these sorts of things between them. It just doesn't always happen that way. And this is what family courts are for, to mediate fairly between estranged parents.So I assumed there was almost no emotional connection with the father.
That is very true. The best person to pick "the answer" from their readings should be the querent themselves, since they're closest to the situation, know the most about it, and simply because it's their answer. Yi is talking to them, not to the rest of us.About Yi answering the concrete question:
Yeah I find it frustrating too. I want it to answer directly
Will the judge grant me the right to ... - No, like 39|1.6|21.6|34.5.6|28|12
But as Bradford said, the readings have many meanings and only the person who asks the question sees the right one amongst the others.
I imagine myself now, talking through Yi to myself in the past and giving all these answers.
And they really are the best advices I could come up with.
You are in a tunnel standing at the Y-shaped crossroad and asking me "Go left or right?"
I know that right one leads to some magical artifacts that grant special abilities and power which will destroy that person.
And the left one leads up to a beautiful country with a simple life, a soulmate and a family in the future.
What would I answer?
- "Depending on what you want"
- "I don't know your intentions"
Or for example I know that in 10 minutes both tunnels will be flooded and the only way to go now is back, and fast.
"You are not seeing the whole picture". 46
"Retreat!" Hex 28. 29, Hex 51 ..
Since my unity with others depends first on unity with myself, I always first consider 8 as keeping myself together. Anything less will leave a poor impression with the judge in such a litigation.
I agree with Sooo. I'm not an expert on this at all, but I had a similar issue with getting 8 in response to a work question, and since some interpretations refer to it as "Union", I took it literally, and contacted my Union. Well, it turned out badly, our union was so reduced by the state that they decided to no longer fight for our contract, and left me hanging. It resulted in the administration being angry at me and punishing me by changing my hours and work. Now when I get 8 I take it as "pull yourself together" because it is going to take all of your inner resources to deal with the issue.
but still, it seems not-so-great for Yi to even plant the union idea.
The Yi doesn't "plant" any ideas. Only human beings do that.
Sure, I agree.
But your sentence: but still, it seems not-so-great for Yi to even plant the union idea
gives the impression that you were inferring that the Yi made a mistake in giving such an H.8 image. Which also links to the implication (and the title of this thread) that Yi is fallible like human beings which I don't think it is. It is in this sense that I was playfully disagreeing.
45 Get it together
8 Keep it together
I agree with something Lisa said about receiving 8 means there is already a union. It's a matter of keeping that union together. That almost always begins with ones own self, because turmoil and conflict is stressful and we can come apart at the seams, and the effect of that regarding holding our union with others can only be destructive. Bad attitudes within project outwardly, which breaks down communication and solidarity. So I always see the first priority with 8 is to keep it together, don't lose my head especially, as in 8.6, for example. This has been my experience particularly when receiving it several times consecutively.
Anyone want some fresh green peppers from hell?
If the I Ching is trying to say nothing more to Casstone than "Get along with each other!" or (somehow) "Stop having a bad attitude!" - as I said, that seems almost ridiculously trite and unhelpful.
Sooo, you've made this point twice here, so clearly you think it's important. And, of course, what you're saying is certainly true, just sort of generally in life, but I'm having trouble getting the connection from the I Ching, and applying it to these specific examples.
How are you getting "eliminate the turmoil and conflict in your own self" or "losing your head," etc. from hexagram 8? I don't see it in the Oracle or Image text...8 is in sequence with 7 and 9, neither of which have anything specifically to do with conflict (they're not hex 6, for instance), and 8 and 45 are not in each other's hexagrams of context as far as I can tell.
And then, do you think this sort of thing is actually the problem with either Casstone's or Missann's particular situations in this thread?
I can't see a bad attitude or losing her head at all in Missann's example, and I don't really see it in Casstone's example either, at least based on what she has told us in this thread (I don't know any background that might be in other threads). Of course, there is the obvious caveat that she and her daughter's father are estranged.
Not always, but estranged couples usually have conflict and turmoil between them, they usually don't like each other, and they usually have bad attitudes about the other one. Otherwise they (probably) wouldn't be estranged. And it seems reasonable to guess that might be coming at least as much from the father as from Casstone.
If the I Ching is trying to say nothing more to Casstone than "Get along with each other!" or (somehow) "Stop having a bad attitude!" - as I said, that seems almost ridiculously trite and unhelpful. But I don't know. I wish Casstone would come back and tell us what the exact readings were. If they were anything other than repeated 8 unchanging casts, that could make a tremendous difference. We're really in the dark without knowing the actual readings.
(Just saw your latest post - again, of course, it's a good general point. But is 39>45 anywhere in Casstone's or Missann's examples? There has to be some reason you're mentioning it here...?)
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