Issues with hexagram 22

[Marinaflsenda]

Dear all,

No matter what the subject is, I never know how to read hexagram 22. I don´t know if it´s a positive or negative hexagram or how the situation is developing when this hexagram appears (either if the matter is a job, a relationship, a disease or any other).

For example, my last cast was about a fight in between brothers and the question was "What should I know about this situation development?". The answer was 22 turning to 57.

The only thing I can say is that (because of 57) it seems the situation will end up well, the fight will have a positive ending and there will be peace among them but it requires a lot of time and patience, they have to solve the problem little by little, right?

But I don´t know what to do with 22.

If someone could explain this hexagram I would appreciate it.

Thanks.

 

[Liselle]

Hi Marina (may we call you Marina?).

22 can be hard, agreed. A good place to start might be here -

Your Experiences with Unchanging Castings - Hexagram 22

There was a long thread on 22 here http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?14838-Question-on-22 in CC where I got some good feedback discussing my bizarre 22 answers, and 22uc in particular. I had noticed 22 uc coming up for pretty odd, almost 'tableaux' type scenarios where...

www.onlineclarity.co.uk

Make sure to follow the link Trojina has in her first post.

Hilary's hexagram essay: in the menu at the top of every page (in the banner), click "I Ching readings," then "Hexagram essays."

Search Hilary's blog: click the magnifying glass in the menu, go to the "Quick search" box and type "hexagram 22" into it.

Clarity's hexagram search feature: again click the magnifying glass in the menu, then click "Hexagram search."

 

[Marinaflsenda]

Hi Marina (may we call you Marina?).

22 can be hard, agreed. A good place to start might be here -

Your Experiences with Unchanging Castings - Hexagram 22

There was a long thread on 22 here http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?14838-Question-on-22 in CC where I got some good feedback discussing my bizarre 22 answers, and 22uc in particular. I had noticed 22 uc coming up for pretty odd, almost 'tableaux' type scenarios where...

www.onlineclarity.co.uk

Make sure to follow the link Trojina has in her first post.

Hilary's hexagram essay: in the menu at the top of every page (in the banner), click "I Ching readings," then "Hexagram essays."

Search Hilary's blog: click the magnifying glass in the menu, go to the "Quick search" box and type "hexagram 22" into it.

Clarity's hexagram search feature: again click the magnifying glass in the menu, then click "Hexagram search."

Hi, Liselle
Yes, Marina is my name
Thank you. I will have a look to it and see if any light turns on me.
Best.

 

[surnevs]

- and often the Sequence can help. "Beauty follows from Hexagram 21, Biting through - (and: ) Things cannot carelessly unite and be completed, and so Beauty follows. Beauty means adorning. " From Hilary's translation (and there follows an explanation),
When you receive hex. 22.1.2.5. did you choose a specific line to focus on? I ask because for me, it's often a source of confusion when more than one line statement is to relate to (and especially for hex. 44.2.4 )
Sometimes it can also help to look at the tag, in this case, an explanation of it as seen in Alfred Huang's book The Complete I Ching (attached).

 

[Marinaflsenda]

- and often the Sequence can help. "Beauty follows from Hexagram 21, Biting through - (and: ) Things cannot carelessly unite and be completed, and so Beauty follows. means adorning. " From Hilary's translation (and there follows an explanation),Beauty
When you receive hex. 22.1.2.5. did you choose a specific line to focus on? I ask because for me, it's often a source of confusion when more than one line statement is to relate to (and especially for hex. 44.2.4 )
Sometimes it can also help to look at the tag, in this case, an explanation of it as seen in Alfred Huang's book The Complete I Ching (attached).

Thank you, surnevs,
When I get three lines changing, I do normally pay attention to the first hexagram as the auspicious or most important, and the second hexagram (57 in this case) for additional information, as I have been told to do so by others Yi readers.

 

[surnevs]

Sunday I received hex. 22.1.2 (Before that, according to my Log. was the 12' of December 2022). I usually use my method with one Dice but sometimes I check out with the NanJing rule. To my surprise this time these two lines worked together in my quest for, how to relate to a woman. I'm a bit bewildered concerning all these determination rules. Hey-Lise got this straightforward proposition that all of the changing lines could "tell a story", and I'm not going to bring this logic and beautiful theory in doubt except that it wouldn't work in my example above, sometimes it happens the other way around, that there "are no fish in the container" going on in this story to that there "are fish in the container". I could of course have misunderstood this theory, but I think, according to my experience that, taking more than one line statement into consideration concerning a reply from the I can cause frustration rather than clarification.

 

[Marinaflsenda]

Sunday I received hex. 22.1.2 (Before that, according to my Log. was the 12' of December 2022). I usually use my method with one Dice but sometimes I check out with the NanJing rule. To my surprise this time these two lines worked together in my quest for, how to relate to a woman. I'm a bit bewildered concerning all these determination rules. Hey-Lise got this straightforward proposition that all of the changing lines could "tell a story", and I'm not going to bring this logic and beautiful theory in doubt except that it wouldn't work in my example above, sometimes it happens the other way around, that there "are no fish in the container" going on in this story to that there "are fish in the container". I could of course have misunderstood this theory, but I think, according to my experience that, taking more than one line statement into consideration concerning a reply from the I can cause frustration rather than clarification.

I totally agree with you. I´ve seen many people using different rules when it comes to lines reading. The one I was shown is much simple and it brings me some clarity. I think, or I´d like to think, that Yi would agree with any of them as long as they work for us.

 

[surnevs]

I'm not finished reading Prof. E.L. Shaughnessy's latest book *, but I'm excited to reach the chapter in which, as he mentions **, something could point toward that diviners in the earliest time made a second reading to choose the line statement to be considered. (Could have missed it, but if so I'll have to read it all over again: I find that extremely interesting).

*) The Origin and Early Development of the Zhou Changes, Brill, Leyden 2022
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** ) page 342 chapter 8, where he mentions this possibility

 

[surnevs]

I'm not finished reading Prof. E.L. Shaughnessy's latest book *, but I'm excited to reach the chapter in which, as he mentions **, something could point toward that diviners in the earliest time made a second reading to choose the line statement to be considered. (Could have missed it, but if so I'll have to read it all over again: I find that extremely interesting).

*) The Origin and Early Development of the Zhou Changes, Brill, Leyden 2022
_____________________

** ) page 342 chapter 8, where he mentions this possibility

**) first mentioned on page 142, "....... the hexagram and line statements
of the Zhou Changes may also preserve for us a vestige of a similar two-stage
divination process: the first stage resulting in one of the sixty-four hexagrams
and its hexagram statement, and the second stage further specifying which of
the six lines of that hexagram is to be used for the final determination."
In Chapter 5 the NanJing rules for determination are analyzed.