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Please quote sources where we can check what you say. Just saying "The correct original word of "He Tu" is "Hà Đồ" " will not do if you don't back it up by proper verifiable sources. Thanks.The correct original word of "He Tu" is "Hà Đồ"
I'm not saying that Hà Đồ is 'a new word'. All I'm asking is that when you say thatHà Đồ is not a new words in the Iching Community.
andThe correct original word of "He Tu" is "Hà Đồ"
you back it up by proper sources and not just present is a plain fact. Where can I check what you say? Reffering to a Vietnamese Wikipedia site with just a picture of the Hetu will not do, just as a link to a Vietnamese book is not sufficient."Hà" is the short word for "Thiên Hà", which means "Heaven" or "Universe", "Đồ" is the short word for "Bản Đồ" which means "Map"
I know that tianhe 天河 is the Chinese name for the Milky Way, literally translated 'the Heavenly River'. But who says that the Milky Way is linked to the Hetu? Are there Chinese sources for this assumption? Please state your sources.
Exactly.In the future if I ran thru a website that contains these facts, I will provide you the link to that source. The reason for providing the source is to prove the fact.
I would like to see the sources of the statements that you present as facts.I am confuse. Do you want to know the new facts (findings) or the just want the source of the facts?
I don't need to know more about the Hetu, but I would like to see your sources for your statement thatIf you just want to sources, I can google the net to get more information about HeTu. My question to you is you want me to search the net to gather more source on He Tu (Ha Do) or you have enough information about He Tu to conclude your quest for knowledge.
That's all I'm asking."Hà" is the short word for "Thiên Hà", which means "Heaven" or "Universe", "Đồ" is the short word for "Bản Đồ" which means "Map"
Que? I don't understand. All I'm asking is sources for what you are saying.If you are satisfied with your current knowledge, I will be more than happy to stop writing so I won't cause any confusion the readers about the current understanding of He Tu.
That would make it easy for you, but it doesn't work that way. You make a statement, so it is up to you to motivate and substantiate that statement. If you give your sources I can at least determine where you get it from. It is not important whether I agree or disagree with you, that is not the point here.If you don't trust VoTri, then there is nothing wrong with that. I am not asking you to accept the fact. Just read the post as if you just buy a new book from a new author. If the info is not sound or just doesn't make any senses, then just treat that info as junk.
No, but I don't see how that relates to my request for sources.The best source for my quest of understanding He Tu is the drawing. Is that hard for you to believe?
Sorry to hear that. I thought a little bit of criticism would lead to improvement of what you write, after all, it is easy to shout something in the air and expect everyone to take it as hard fact without giving them the chance to check what you say. It is harder, but more convincing, if you can back up what you say with reliable sources. Is that hard for you to believe? I wonder why you refuse to mention sources. Or aren't their any?Couple days ago, I was motivated to write the secret of the numbers in the Hetu drawing. Now that motivation is gone.
I have heard that so many times before. It's a lame excuse, you should still mention your background, your foundation, your starting point, in other words, your sources. Otherwise what you say is just plain fantasy.After ten years looking at HeTu drawing, I understand things that no other books has dare to consider.
Here you go again. You just say something ridiculous without backing it up. Why do you think that yin represents odd numbers and yang represents even numbers? Tell about it, instead of just saying it.I still remembered the first time that I saw HeTu. I saw that Yin represent the odd number and Yang represents the even numbers. I was so puzzle because the logic had contradicted most of the sources out there.
Sure. But if you want to tell about it and make it sound acceptable shouldn't just say something - you should also make it possible to check what you say. Otherwise it is just nonsense.Currently the books and old writing have only opened the small part of secrets of HeTu. There are still undiscovered secrets lies within the HeTu. It's more than just random number.
It's a lame excuse ...
You just say something ridiculous ...
Otherwise it is just nonsense ...
to stay in galaxy phrasing.
It is not professional to avoid the issues that I mention. You simply ignore what I say, and you only focus on how I say it, instead of what I am saying. Sometimes harsh words are necessary, like a kick in the butt.Wow! That's some "Harsh" words. We are professional.
A forum deserves no respect, but its members do. So respect the members and answer the member's questions.Let's respect the forum and leave out the "harsh" words when making comments.
I know you didn't say that, but you did imply it by deliberately avoiding mentioning your sources. Now I understand that there aren't any. No problem, but just say that instead of beating around the bush.First, the data that I have posted are my thoughts when looking at the He Tu. It should not be considered as "FACTS". I have never said it is the "facts" and never will.
I believe you are doing just that when you don't back up what you say. What you did in your very first message was similar to saying that the moon is made of cheese. If I started a thread with only that sentence, do you believe the readers would buy it? Of course not, yet you are doing the same.I have a lot of respect with the members of this forum, therefore I didn't explain the details my thought. If I did that, then that is the same as treating the readers as kids.
I don't know where you get the idea from that I have 'different opinions'. All I did was ask for backup of what you say.For others like you that have a different opinions, I respect your stands & thoughts.
Ok, will do that. Nevertheless it's a pity that there are no sources.Maybe this is not the right time for HeTu discussion. Just treat my thoughts as only my thoughts. No more and no less.
I have a lot of respect with the members of this forum, therefore I didn't explain the details my thought.
Nevertheless it's a pity that there are no sources
However, I do know that the Luo Shu is a two dimensional mapping of a torus, which is a three dimensional geometric shape similar to a doughnut.
robertluoshu, www.luo-shu.com
Frank_r,
Ha Do numbers contain many meaning and can be used for multiple purposes. The fundamental sequence of Ha Do is:
5 + 1 = 6
5 + 2 = 7
5 + 3 = 8
5 + 4 = 9
5 + 5 = 10
The sum of the odd number => 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 = 25
The sum of the even number=> 2 + 4 + 6 + 8 + 10 = 30
I will discuss the important of these number in later chapter. For now, let's see how ancient astrologer had used Ha Do in pre-heaven pakua and applied to the 4 season of the years.
VoTri
I have a lot of respect with the members of this forum, therefore I didn't explain the details my thought.
Hmesker,
The best source for my quest of understanding He Tu is the drawing. Is that hard for you to believe? Couple days ago, I was motivated to write the secret of the numbers in the Hetu drawing. Now that motivation is gone.
After ten years looking at HeTu drawing, I understand things that no other books has dare to consider. I still remembered the first time that I saw HeTu. I saw that Yin represent the odd number and Yang represents the even numbers. I was so puzzle because the logic had contradicted most of the sources out there.
With the drawing of Lo-Shu and HeTu, I start to understand to the Yin-Yang Pakua, the Pre-Heaven Pakua & the Later-Heaven Pakua. Currently the books and old writing have only opened the small part ofs ecrets of HeTu. There are still undiscovered secrets lies within the HeTu. It's more than just random number.
Good luck everyone,
VoTri
Votri,
In the oral tradition , the numbers 1 through 5 in theHe Tu - Dragon chart represent the
formless stage of primal energy generation known as Early Heaven, the numbers 5 through 9 the cycle of qi manifesting in the physical plane or Later Heaven. The number 10 (sharing the center with number 5) is the number of completion.
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