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Please explain if you would. I looked at 44.5 to 50 and didn't necessarily get that as my take-away. In fact, one way of understanding this casting ...I asked the I Ching to comment and got 44.5 - 50 so yeah, sometimes a quick answer comes like a gift from heaven without you having to work through all the lines.
Just anecdotally, in my experience sometimes Yi responds with with a moving-line answer where the moving lines are largely irrelevant, or at least very secondary.
They are mainly a way for Yi to summon the resultant hexagram and link it to the primary hexagram and say -- "that's your answer."
Anyone else had this sense?
I asked the I Ching to comment and got 44.5 - 50 so yeah, sometimes a quick answer comes like a gift from heaven without you having to work through all the lines.
Thanks Rosada. I think my take-away from all this is that there are no fixed ways of approaching a reading, and that it can often be misleading or limiting to apply a 'rule', for examle, something like:I like (the) interpretation of 44.5 as the IC saying “Hey, the lines are precious and significant” but I also know from my own experience that sometimes you can get a meaningful answer just from reading the titles of the hexagrams ...
LIquidity, I think I mentioned this in another thread, but I'm wondering if you can provide a reading where you found this to be true - where you found many moving lines irrelevant, and you felt they served instead to lead you to the related hexagram?... moving lines are largely irrelevant, or at least very secondary They are mainly a way for Yi to summon the resultant hexagram and link it to the primary hexagram ...
I'm seeing a primary hexagram, one moving line, and a related hexagram. So, I'm lost by what line or lines are 'hidden', or are 'plural,' or 'down to one.'?first the hidden lines (plural and hidden, thus less relevant or secondary), then it's down to one (one finite answer or hexagram maybe)? and it's changing to 50,
I'm seeing a primary hexagram, one moving line, and a related hexagram. So, I'm lost by what line or lines are 'hidden', or are 'plural,' or 'down to one.'?
Regards, David.
Just anecdotally, in my experience sometimes Yi responds with with a moving-line answer where the moving lines are largely irrelevant, or at least very secondary.
They are mainly a way for Yi to summon the resultant hexagram and link it to the primary hexagram and say -- "that's your answer."
Anyone else had this sense?
Just looked up 27.1.3 - 60 Nourishment - Limiting and lines 1 and 3 seemed to advise AGAINST nourishment limiting/dieting! So the heck with my example. But I still stand by my argument that at times you can get a meaningful answer without focusing on the lines, especially if one is just beginning to use the I Ching and the lines seem confusing. I guess it depends on your level of experience. 4.5 says the powers that be will be tolerant of a young fool but 25.6 says woe to those who refuse to learn.
Agreed. Used to do this all the time myself, still do sometimes although it's been gotten through to me pretty well by now.l am more disturbed by people reading just.the lines and not knowing their context in the whole hexagram.
What the heck are you thinking now??
Line 1: eat at home instead of eating out. (because 90% of restaurants have portion sizes too large for health.)
Line 3: your lack of restraint (overeating) caused this problem.
27>60
Those are lines 1 and 3 of hexagram 60, aren't they, not 27?
LIquidity, I think I mentioned this in another thread, but I'm wondering if you can provide a reading where you found this to be true - where you found many moving lines irrelevant, and you felt they served instead to lead you to the related hexagram?
I always have an easier time understanding and relating to an actual reading instead of a hypothetical one. As I once read (and I paraphrase), the hypothetical is the antithesis of magic.
Best, David.
Yes, I have in the past - but don't for one minute think anything is wasted in Yi. All connections are meaningful but perhaps at the moment of casting there is a 'main point' you need to get. It isn't that the lines are completely irrelevant it's just at that moment you are catching the 'most relevant point' for you at that instant.
It is not random of course that those lines bring that relating hexagram so they are as much a part of the reading as our arms are to our liver.....or something like that. Not a good metaphor but if I am mainly using my arms in a task it doesn't mean my liver is irrelevant. It's all one body.
At different times different parts of the answer are going to stand out to us. Sometimes just one word is enough to answer us, or the Image or some other part or the picture the hexagram makes us think of. Interpreting is never 'paint by numbers' even if it starts off like that, there's always an unexpected 'spark' that ignites our understanding of that particular answer in that particular moment.
Originally Posted by liquidity -
... I was asking Yi about the appropriateness of "just being the Self" - in the eastern-spiritual sense of Self ... And it responded with 14.1.2.3.4.5 Possession in Great Measure > 20 Contemplation ...
I think I have a sense of this, but just to be clear, are you saying that you're interpretation of this would be something like: "Yes, it is appropriate for me 'just being the Self'? And are there any details you have gleaned as well, or is that message enough (at least for right now)?
My interpretation of this would be quite different than yours, but no matter. What I know is there are a lot of ways to skin this particular Self - and what Trojina wrote is way good. One way I often look at many (four, five, or six) moving lines - along with reading the lines' text and trying to understand what they are saying - is to see them as points of imbalance that need attention; but this is coming from a particular way of interpreting the images (hexgrams, trigrams).
And also Line 4 says, "This is not one's domain. No blame" which certainly seems important and meaningful enough to catch my attention.
David.
So, what we're left with are different translations, different commentaries, different interpretations, and different conclusions of what it means - and the moving lines are a part of all that.... Ah. I prefer the Legge translation for line 4: "The fourth line, dynamic, shows its subject keeping his great resources under restraint. There will be no error." Which completely is in keeping with the theme of contemplation on Self.
So, what we're left with are different translations, different commentaries, different interpretations, and different conclusions of what it means - and the moving lines are a part of all that....
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