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Yes, that's part of 63 -If I am interpreting correctly and gaining perspective on my situation - I have completed something, it makes sense that i have crossed the river so to speak...and now what is important is to maintain (harvest is constancy).
So, the future (with or without school or anything else) - I worry about the "decline".
Non Yi related reaction which I hope you don't find rude, but I'm 61 myself and the idea of retraining to do do nursing at this age doesn't seem realistic to me. Is it worth them spending the money on your training when you will be 62 when it's finished and how many more years will they get out of you. Most people do want to retire or do what they enjoy after 65. Also surely they are going to be more interested in training 25 year olds so you'd have stiff competition.I will turn 60 this year and have been considering a nursing degree - something that I can complete in 2 years and stay here in PA to be close to my aging parents. If I pursued this path I would do so to acquire a good solid job here where I live with a decent salary and something I could do for 5 or maybe even 10 years to save money and maybe gain a small employer based retirement fund.
This is the nursing ? 63uc is IMO quite a settled answer, things in the right place and also things already attained. I guess you could take this as a 'yes' you could also take it that you already have what you need anyway. You could possibly just start working in some capacity at a hospital without doing a 2 year training for a job you'll be doing for a couple of years.My question: me going to PCT for RN program in August 2022
Resultant Hexagram: 63 Unchanging
There is no need at all to worry about decline with 63. If you do you miss the point I think. It's not a threat of a downward spiral only the reminder nothing remains completed in a certain state forever. That applies to our sun too and yet we don't worry about the sun falling out of the sky each day. However as I said you aren't 25, there's many rivers you have already crossed. How easy do you think it will be to work as a nurse when there are 25 year olds applying too. They will pick younger people who are fitter and who will be in the job longer.So, the future (with or without school or anything else) - I worry about the "decline". Maintenance of my spiritual self and keeping fire and water balanced and not boiling over is my goal.
Hi TrojinaI don't see the 'setting things right' as Mykey does, I don't think that's the primary meaning of the hexagram. A river has been crossed, completion has been achieved.........
.........There is no need at all to worry about decline with 63.
‘Stream dwells above fire: Already across.
A noble one reflects on distress and prepares to defend against it.’ (Hilary)
Thank you @Trojina - you are the voice of practical matters in a strange and changing world. Your words are also in my head - part of me thinking - "what!?! going back to school at your age?!?" and yes the reality that when finished, 1) competition for jobs from younger graduates and maybe more important because there is such a great shortage of nurses so the competition might not be that great, 2) how long do I actually think that I'm going to actually work at my age? I can tell you that unless I have some extreme luck and inherit from a long lost relative or win the powerball, I will not be retiring, nor be able to financially at age 65 or 67 (which I think the age is now).Non Yi related reaction which I hope you don't find rude, but I'm 61 myself and the idea of retraining to do do nursing at this age doesn't seem realistic to me. Is it worth them spending the money on your training when you will be 62 when it's finished and how many more years will they get out of you. Most people do want to retire or do what they enjoy after 65. Also surely they are going to be more interested in training 25 year olds so you'd have stiff competition.
Maybe there's a cultural difference here but to me it seems mad! You'd do a nursing degree so when you are 62 or 63 you'll be looking for a job as a nurse?
Don't get me wrong people should have interesting and fulfilling lives contributing to society as long as they want to, I'm all for that but no one goes into nursing for the first time at 62 years old do they?
If you were doing any kind of degree or Phd well good for you I just don't understand the plan to become a nurse and then get a retirement fund?? Surely there wouldn't be much after working 4 or 5 years..
This is the nursing ? 63uc is IMO quite a settled answer, things in the right place and also things already attained. I guess you could take this as a 'yes' you could also take it that you already have what you need anyway. You could possibly just start working in some capacity at a hospital without doing a 2 year training for a job you'll be doing for a couple of years.
Beware being attracted to training because you feel at home in education and training. That's me not Yi saying that.
I don't see the 'setting things right' as Mykey does, I don't think that's the primary meaning of the hexagram. A river has been crossed, completion has been achieved. The warning such as it is can be way over egged IMO. It's not saying you have to set things right it's saying all is in place and okay and as it should be. The caution is that of course nothing remains completed/stays the same and so there's always the next leg of the journey, there's always another story to come, so a slight caution not to rest totally on one's laurels and bear in mind nothing is forever.
There is no need at all to worry about decline with 63. If you do you miss the point I think. It's not a threat of a downward spiral only the reminder nothing remains completed in a certain state forever. That applies to our sun too and yet we don't worry about the sun falling out of the sky each day. However as I said you aren't 25, there's many rivers you have already crossed. How easy do you think it will be to work as a nurse when there are 25 year olds applying too. They will pick younger people who are fitter and who will be in the job longer.
I see your point that if you'll be working longer anyway, may as well try to get as much out of it as possible. Also can see how the shortage could help, but do the better jobs have a shortage, or only the not-so-good ones? Is there any way to find out?
Have you ever asked a specific question about costs and benefits? A question, or even more than one, that leaves no doubt you'd like to know things like:
Those aren't meant to be questions! Just ideas about questions. Come up with something that makes sense to you. (Also, I've asked, "What are the chances of..." questions and gotten misled. In hindsight, you have to watch out for answers that mean something like, "Well, there's a chance if x/y/z happens...," but maybe x/y/z won't.)
- How you'll come out financially if you do this, considering the costs of school?
- Your likelihood of getting the kind of nursing job you want, well-paid and with a pension?
- Your likelihood of being able to do the job for x years after school?
- Etc.
Hi yinwithjimHere is my constant difficulty...hexagram interpretation and making it "fit" my situation - as in this situation - a novice like myself might think "this is great! this is exactly what I'm supposed to do!"
Okay, another thought after the word "try" sunk in better. Maybe trying it will be enough to decide it for you."what if i try the rn program at pct this fall?"
Okay, another thought after the word "try" sunk in better. Maybe trying it will be enough to decide it for you.
Starting doesn't require finishing. Or, maybe you'd really like it and it'd be enough to decide in that direction.
Also, 14's nuclear hexagram is 43, Deciding. Deciding is the core or potential of 14.
Yes, that makes perfect sense. But still, you have to watch out for your finances, don't you? Or will you have enough money to live on no matter what?Does it make sense to you that for me, a calling, no matter what it is, if I would ever find it, would, I feel, take me to ABUNDANCE - in my soul - regardless of type of job or level of job or good/crappy job or high/low salary.
These are good questions. They are good questions because being a nurse is an intensely visceral experience so the idea of being a hospital nurse and the reality can be quite shockingly far apart. As part of training for another kind of nursing I worked as a hospital nurse very briefly when I was young and looking at that list I would have thought Liselle had too though she says she says she never has. There'd be more to add to the list such as being willing to work in a very strictly hierarchical environment (although perhaps that's not so much the case these days but of necessity it's quite a strict environment you can't mind rules) being on your feet for many hours, dealing with death and hopelessness. My first day was at the bedside of someone vomiting blood and I was horrified being so inexperienced whilst the regular nurses took it in their stride. And then there was being asked to go and wash people and I recall being apprehensive about washing men. You have to think about things like this, you have to think about these questions Liselle has written out.Are there things you could at least think about, to imagine it as best as possible? I feel silly saying this since surely you already know this much or you wouldn't even be considering it.
I mean, I've never worked in any sort of medical setting, I'm just making things up.
- How do you generally respond to being around sick people?
- How do you generally feel when in medical settings? (Hospitals, nursing homes, doctors' offices)
- Have you ever taken care of sick/injured beings, family members, even pets? How have you felt while doing that?
- How do you feel about being around people at their worst (which illness might bring out)?
- Imagine having to have "icky" conversations, or having to look at or handle "icky" things on people.
- How do you deal with pressure? Time pressure, pressure to be perfect (there's not much room for error in medicine). Do you think well on your feet when under stress?
- How would you feel about having to cause people pain in order to treat them? Even routine things like drawing blood can cause some people great distress, and can be very painful if they have to dig around for a vein.
- For that matter, are you a "people person"?
- Etc.
Again as someone who lacks a long history and experience working with the I Ching I am unsure what to do with my reading of 14 uc for my question today of "what if I try the rn program at pct this fall?"
No one ever really needs a 'long history and experience of working with the I Ching' to have a meaningful conversation with the I Ching. But what's going on with you for this question and answer isn't totally about understanding the answer of 14uc. One cannot just cast a really nice looking answer and think 'ah I will do that then' if you haven't thought about all those things Liselle listed above. You haven't said that you have thought about them.Again as someone who lacks a long history and experience working with the I Ching I am unsure what to do with my reading of 14 uc for my question today of "what if I try the rn program at pct this fall?"
I asked this question because despite my age and the hurdles and the obvious difficulties someone my age will most likely face when completing a program - I am looking for "my calling", regardless of cost and difficulties. Asking Yi today was more of "what if I took this path?" or "what if I tried?" type of question.
Legge states "great progress & success" with Wilhelm using "supreme success".
Here is my constant difficulty...hexagram interpretation and making it "fit" my situation - as in this situation - a novice like myself might think "this is great! this is exactly what I'm supposed to do!"
My question: me going to PCT for RN program in August 2022
Resultant Hexagram: 63 Unchanging
Aren't these the same question and wouldn't it help you more in making your decision at this point to address the questions to yourself that Liselle posted in post 14 than ask Yi more questions? You had 63uc already for the question, now you have 14, it could mean simply that you would be accepted on to the training?One last question related to this @Liselle - I've held off for a bit and found some help with question formation...and this morning asked "what if i try the rn program at pct this fall?" - which can either be seen the same as or different than my original question in this thread, "me going to PCT for RN program in August 2022"
Again as someone who lacks a long history and experience working with the I Ching I am unsure what to do with my reading of 14 uc for my question today of "what if I try the rn program at pct this fall?"
I got down to brass tacks and asked..."What is my calling?"
I received 12.1.3.5.6 => 55
I wasn't at all sure what any of it meant to be perfectly honest.
So regardless of cost and difficulties you search for a calling that will validate your existence? It's perfectly understandable, everyone needs to feel a sense of purpose but could you find that sense of purpose outside this rather unhumanising demand of 'a calling'? 12 says do not throw your whole self into projects or people that will never recognise you in the fullness of who you are. 12 says your best intentions are no use now, it's time for the small people to prosper. So this isn't about flourishing and coming into the light of who you are it's much more about fitting in if you need to or leaving if you don't. Given the question I'd say the very demand you place on yourself that you have a specific calling is quite unhuman, it boxes you in, like you are trying to fit yourself inside a title. I don't think you can continue down that road, I think it's shifting even now looking at line 6.I asked this question because despite my age and the hurdles and the obvious difficulties someone my age will most likely face when completing a program - I am looking for "my calling", regardless of cost and difficulties. Asking Yi today was more of "what if I took this path?" or "what if I tried?" type of question.
12 meaning 'reversing the way' (of this hindrance).I got down to brass tacks and asked..."What is my calling?"
I received 12.1.3.5.6 => 55
I wasn't at all sure what any of it meant to be perfectly honest.
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