64.1.5 > 10 - lines question

[libelula]

Hello!

I have a question concerning line 1 and 5 from Hex. 64. Line 1 says more or less something like "it is better not to do more of what one is able to do" and Line 5 says something like "that all looks good and things are looking better". My question was "will they ask me to work more days with them?"

Is it possible that the I Ching is telling me that at the moment it will not happen but later will happen for sure? I am not sure how to read these lines altogether because both are quite different, so I am not sure if it is talking about different moments or something else.

I already appreciate your help!
Libelula

 

[heylise]

64.1, go for it, don't hesitate, don't wonder if you can do it, deserve it or whatever other doubt you might have.

64.5 if you show them what your abilities are, then they will see them. But not if you don't. Seems simple but many people don't dare to shine their light. If everyone would dare to, the world would be a better place.

Hexagram 10 is all about the way you tread, if you do that with self-confidence and also reckoning with the reality of the circumstances, your treading will bring you where you want to go.

 

[Trojina]

64.1, go for it, don't hesitate, don't wonder if you can do it, deserve it or whatever other doubt you might have.

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this is the opposite of how Wilhelm, Karcher and Hilary see it. They all see it as about holding back more than going for it. i thought the danger in 64.1 was you go for before you actually have the momentum to finish it..You try to get across the water but don't quite make it, your tail gets wet.

Maybe what you are saying is if you don't put all your 'oomph' behind this you won't have the momentum to get accross.

This is a vexing line because its quite important whether you take it as 'don't go full on' or 'go for it full on', i've puzzled over it in my own readings

 

[ginnie]

This is a vexing line because its quite important whether you take it as 'don't go full on' or 'go for it full on', i've puzzled over it in my own readings

The Blofeld translation clarifies this line a bit by saying: 'We do not know how to take advantage of opportunities.' Maybe the work situation is foggy or the querant is confused by something important at the present time. Maybe she cannot see any advantage to her, even if they do ask her to work more days?

Yes, I think the two lines represent different moments in time. Because there is confusion at the beginning, but the confusion may very well clear up later.

When line 1 changes, you get hexagram 38, The Estranged, Opposites. This is the rough patch you're in now. Do you feel like an outsider at this job?

With line 5 moving in hexagram 64, if you persist in a righeous course, you will win people's confidence and all regrets will vanish. You are cultured; you are effective; you are intelligent; you are correct; and -- to top it all off -- you are seen to be brilliant and lucky!

The beginning is rather confusing, mainly because it's all new to you. But that will work itself out as soon as you resolve your doubts, as Heylise wrote below.

Can you place your trust in the guidance of the I Ching that it will all work out? When you consult the I Ching, you are asking for divine guidance. The guidance says that this job can all work out for you, Libelula, if you can let go of your doubts and take advantage of any opportunites that come your way.

 

[libelula]

Thank you so much for your responses!

I feel exactly as Ginnie mentions for line 1. Like an outsider at the moment. But it is also true that I am new and it's normal to feel that way in the beginning. I also don't feel like asking for more days to work at this moment. And for line 1 I could assume that at this moment they will not ask me because of what line 1 mentions... But what you talk about line 5 fills me with good feelings about what is to come. And yes, I am now starting to feel that things will work out and to be open.

I was asking if they were going to offer me more days, I think I was looking for reassurance of their interest in what I can offer for them, so what you are saying about line 5 gives have calmed me a lot, because what I really want is to be very good on what I do there and of course, to be recognized as such when my abilities get good.

I am getting it right?

Thanks again!
Libelula

 

[ginnie]

I think I was looking for reassurance of their interest in what I can offer for them

When needing reassurance, find someone else in the company and let them know they are doing a great job and will soon be recognized for it!

I can tell you that this works, because I am also someone who needs reassurances that my efforts are being received and appreciated! But sometimes -- drat it! -- people just do not come through with all the appreciation I really need. In that case, become pro-active. Become someone who can offer reassurance to others instead. It works just as well, Libelula, because what goes around, comes around!

Yes, I think you've definitely gotten the message of Yi!

 

[heylise]

this is the opposite of how Wilhelm, Karcher and Hilary see it. They all see it as about holding back more than going for it. i thought the danger in 64.1 was you go for before you actually have the momentum to finish it..You try to get across the water but don't quite make it, your tail gets wet.

Maybe what you are saying is if you don't put all your 'oomph' behind this you won't have the momentum to get accross.

This is a vexing line because its quite important whether you take it as 'don't go full on' or 'go for it full on', i've puzzled over it in my own readings

I see it as "act with selfconfidence" because the fanyao (36.1) tells you to trust that the horse will come back by itself. Things will work out - if you let them. Not by jumping blindly into it, not holding back, but trusting your abilities and going on. Keep that tail up in the air, a selfconfident fox, don't let it trail in the water.

 

[Trojina]

I see it as "act with selfconfidence" because the fanyao (36.1) tells you to trust that the horse will come back by itself. Things will work out - if you let them. Not by jumping blindly into it, not holding back, but trusting your abilities and going on. Keep that tail up in the air, a selfconfident fox, don't let it trail in the water.

Thats interesting ! I thought his tail was wet cos he didn't quite make it accross the water, but you see tail wet as sign of drooping tail = hangdog attitude. Not heard that before.

 

[ginnie]

With some jobs and projects, we may wonder at the beginning why we are even involved. This state of confusion can be quite painful.

If she had only gotten line 1 moving, the outlook wouldn't have been very promising. And most of the translations do, indeed, indicate that. But since line 5 is also moving, I take it to mean that she will get beyond the midpoint of this H64 and reach her goal.

So the meaning of line 1 moving is tempered by the fact that line 5 is also changing? I would say yes, it is.

 

[libelula]

Thanks a lot for your insight. All I would like now is to be over the beginnings and have crossed the river and enjoy my new understanding... Oh... I hope I get there soon!