Creepy stuff or a Love Spell

[gato]

i almost forgot ...when it gets worst try to eat more sugar/salt as it will close channels and help you gather some strength, just don't develop a habit.

 

[Trojina]

thanks again to everyone!

I've been here for severl months, and it still keeps surprising me how caring people here are...

Bamboo thanks for this protection stuff!

Lloyd I don't think I invited any forces, rather these forces were imposed on me...
A person took my pic without my knowledge and brought it to the psychic...After that everything happened. so I disagree that the only thing this person caused me was emotional distress....This person violated my privacy physically and spiritually...I didn't give him this power, he took itUnfortunately, I'm a victim of it
And gato, I still don't know how can one deal with something like that...Make sure that my pic is never ever accessible on any website?

well if you are determined to be a victim you could talk yourself into it i guess. He didn't rape you did he, nor physically harm you, he showed your photo to someone. if that makes you a victim and totally at the mercy of his power then aren't you at the mercy of anyone who has a photo of you., and howcome celebrities, whose pictures are everywhere, who invite often strong feeling of jealousy or dislike etc, howcome they are still walking about and not dropping like flies ? What about hated public and powerful political figures also whose pictures are everywhere ? Surely if such great harm could be imposed through having someones picture most politicians would be dead by now lol...and alot of wars need never happen



I ain't saying bad magic absolutely doesn't exist, I'm not saying that at all, but your belief in your victimhood is about the worst bad magic you impose on yourself.

 

[gato]

., and howcome celebrities, whose pictures are everywhere, who invite often strong feeling of jealousy or dislike etc, howcome they are still walking about and not dropping like flies ?

they also have a lot of sincere admirers which add to their Mana ("the stuff of which magic is formed") which in turn helps to counteract this things.

 

[ichinglover]

I don't know about politicians and celebs, I can't say...I can only speak for myself...
I don't know if he just showed the pic, or actually di something with it...The result is awful for me, thats all that's I know, an it'a pretty bad...I would never ever believed in such a thing, but I was a victim of something beyond my control, and I'm not afraid of the word victim in this context, I dodn't choose to be one, I din't give anyone any power

In fact this whole discussion reminds of how rape victims are blamed sometimes for what's been done to them againts their will I was spiritually raped

 

[diamanda]

In fact this whole discussion reminds of how rape victims are blamed sometimes for what's been done to them against their will I was spiritually raped

So well said.

 

[Trojina]

I don't know about politicians and celebs, I can't say...I can only speak for myself...
I don't know if he just showed the pic, or actually di something with it...The result is awful for me, thats all that's I know, an it'a pretty bad...I would never ever believed in such a thing, but I was a victim of something beyond my control, and I'm not afraid of the word victim in this context, I dodn't choose to be one, I din't give anyone any power

In fact this whole discussion reminds of how rape victims are blamed sometimes for what's been done to them againts their will I was spiritually raped

So well said.

Hardly ! What has been said here is absolutley nothing like rape victims being blamed for their rape ! I never implied any such thing and nor did anyone else did they ?! I Ching lover has not been raped by this man ..and i don't know what is meant by 'spiritual rape' but it can't be the same thing as actual rape so i think its rather crass of you actually to compare it as you can hardly compare someone showing someone your photo to the violence of rape !!

I resent what you've both said

 

[Trojina]

pretty hard to figure what you wanted from this thread I Ching. I mean you had quite alot of input from people trying to help but seemed all you wanted was confirmation that your life and health has been ruined by one man doing something with your photograph which you are powerless to defend yourself against. Infact you have now made yourself the victim in this thread comparing yourself to rape victims !

What i don't understand is even if he did do these things to you on some spiritual level why do you think his power is so much greater than yours or those of spiritual light you can call upon ? You saw a priest who advised prayer so i assume you believe in God yet you still think this man with your photo is more powerful even than God ? I don't get that ? Wonder where he gets all his power from and where all yours has gone ?

Anyway you can believe as you choose but please don't compare me to those who say rape victims asked for it, that really is most offensive to accuse me of that for it is something i would never say

I was actually trying to reassure your earlier but if you only want people to respond who really believe along with you you that you are the helpless victim of a spell and that your life and health has been ruined remotely via a photograph then so be it

I wonder what Diamanda would recommend you to do to be free of this spell

Frankly all this reminds me of how in days gone by if the crops failed or cattle died they would take women living alone as responsible and burn them to death as witches. Bad things happened and they had to blame someone. They couldn't accept that sometimes bad things just happen...that was a long time ago in this country...sounds like you are still living in that mindset

 

[diamanda]

Frankly all this reminds me of how in days gone by if the crops failed or cattle died they would take women living alone as responsible and burn them to death as witches. Bad things happened and they had to blame someone. They couldn't accept that sometimes bad things just happen...that was a long time ago in this country...sounds like you are still living in that mindset

I'll clarify, as i can see my words are open to misinterpretation.
Indeed sometimes bad things happen Trojan, and there is no one to blame.
I don't know if in the case of ichinglover this is magic or bad luck.
It might very well be only a case of bad luck, ie, nobody to blame, bad things happening.
So how come then so many posts readily put blame on ichinglover herself?

 

[Trojina]

I'll clarify, as i can see my words are open to misinterpretation.
Indeed sometimes bad things happen Trojan, and there is no one to blame.
I don't know if in the case of ichinglover this is magic or bad luck.
It might very well be only a case of bad luck, ie, nobody to blame, bad things happening.
So how come then so many posts readily put blame on ichinglover herself?

Open to misinterpretation ? No seemed fairly clear. I Chinglover said the discussion in this thread was like rape victims being blamed for their rape and you said "well said"..Whats to misinterpret ?

i saw no question of blame. I think this blaming is in your eyes.

 

[Trojina]

I'll clarify, as i can see my words are open to misinterpretation.
Indeed sometimes bad things happen Trojan, and there is no one to blame.
I don't know if in the case of ichinglover this is magic or bad luck.
It might very well be only a case of bad luck, ie, nobody to blame, bad things happening.
So how come then so many posts readily put blame on ichinglover herself?

which posts ? You mean there are many blaming posts ? Can you be specific ? Do you mean ICL is being victimised in this very thread ? Is it a case for moderation? Ironically you are blaming people for what you perceive as them blaming, whereas actually i think the message is 'take back your power'.. nothing to do with blame whatsoever.


Anyway I look forward to hearing your POV re this spell and its impact and the best way for ICL to tackle it. I mean if you object to how others handled it I'm assuming you can do much better ?

(and as an afterthought isn't the whole thread about ICL blaming a man she'd met for ruining her health and her job and her life...via a spell. To suggest to her that she is blaming him for things that have nothing to do with him is not the same as blaming her its simply saying its her life not his)

 

[gato]

what if you're wrong trojan ?

 

[diamanda]

I Ching lover has not been raped by this man ..and i don't know what is meant by 'spiritual rape' but it can't be the same thing as actual rape

It's clear as day what ichinglover meant, not sure why it's not clear to you.

And i meant exactly what i said, that there was blame put on ichinglover.
She 'invited' something, she 'willingly' lend power to someone, it's all in her mind, etc etc.

I don't have a point of view on this reading, or a solution.
I only know that to treat her like an "unstable" person who is arbitrarily branded as "being
determined to be a victim" sounds wrong to me.
If she was determined to be a victim she wouldn't be proactively trying to solve her problems.

No further comments.

 

[Trojina]

No further comments.

good

 

[Trojina]

It's clear as day what ichinglover meant, not sure why it's not clear to you.

And i meant exactly what i said, that there was blame put on ichinglover.
[I]She [/I]'invited' something, she 'willingly' lend power to someone, it's all in her mind, etc etc.

I don't have a point of view on this reading, or a solution.
I only know that to treat her like an "unstable" person who is arbitrarily branded as "being
determined to be a victim" sounds wrong to me.
If she was determined to be a victim she wouldn't be proactively trying to solve her problems.

No further comments.

BTW Noone here has used the word 'unstable' here except you ! Can't you see that all the statements you call blaming were meant to be empowering not blaming ? Do you really not get that ?

Also BTW if you really have a problem with how someone is treated you press the red report button or go to moderation rather than clog up the thread accusing the people who have responded

 

[meng]

actually i think the message is 'take back your power'

This was plainly my message, and there's nothing judgmental about that. To say she did get herself in trouble with this guy is also not a judgment. It's a fact, read again her early comments about him in this thread. She admittedly compromised herself and her better judgment, feeling all along it was wrong for her. No one here said, she said it. That's consensual sex, not rape. The rest, the spiritual rape, who knows? But the cure is the same either way, far as I know. Now the question is how best to deal with it? People have offered their suggestions, and she claims she's been so much as raped by us.

So :bows: whadayagonnado

 

[meng]

If someone (not just ICL) doesn't want people's honest opinion, why do they ask? Why subject themselves to the suffering? Why indeed.

 

[ichinglover]

OMG, what a heated discussion I've got here..Well, to address Trojan's vaild question why did I post this thread and is it to just to get a confirmation that I can blame this person, no, not really. Since I find this commuity quite open-minded to many things I was hoping to get some insights and reading interpretations, as well as may be hear stories of people who might have been in the same situation as myself.

I would've never thought about any sort of spell, before the priest (who actually happens to be a Harvard graduate) suggested this possibility to me. And then all the vague feelings, fears about this guys that I had all along about this guy started to make sense suddenly and I addressed I ching with the questions that we are discussing now.

So chronologically, there is no way I "invited" anything myself, I was not aware of this person at all, of his interest towards me and his intention to marry me!!!! without knowing me...May be it's a crazy love from the first sight, but in this case let me tell
yo u it's not flattering at all.

When I use word "rape" I mean willful violation of my private physical and spiritual boundaries. Again, i don't have an exact proof of what that psychic did or didn't do with my photo.

I appreciated Trojan's opinion, but I happen to disagree with it. It does not mean any personal attack on anyone, I just think I'm not the one to blame for what happened,
that's all, and in this specific case I was unaware of this "psychic attack" if it even took place, so I could not protect myself by not giving him this power, I didn't even know he existed!!!!! and was interested in me to THAT extent...

I DIDN"T KNOW I NEED TO PROTECT MYSELF!!!!

That's why now I'm trying to find the ways to undo the damage...On all levels

But please don't take my posts as an invitation to lash at me, to get personally offended and so on...This post is about me, my experience and my life and I don't want for people to get into the fights because we may disagree on something, please let's calmly discuss the matter...

Trojan, I do thank you for your POV and interpretation on the matter...May be there is someone out there who can relate to my weird experience

 

[meng]

I have to say also while I was with him one day a sudden thought came to my mind:
"He will destroy me"...But I ignored it, skeptical me...Apparently, I have a strong intuition..I went thru huge troubles right after this guy appeared in my life, physical illness, drastic aging, got fired because of him, while he was spared, and now severe depression, financial problems...I'm destroyed....There was no reason for that, other than him, his psychic, or G-d know what else.

So chronologically, there is no way I "invited" anything myself, I was not aware of this person at all, of his interest towards me and his intention to marry me!!!! without knowing me...May be it's a crazy love from the first sight, but in this case let me tell yo u it's not flattering at all.

Chronologically, correct. But are you saying that from the beginning this guy didn't send off creepy vibes to you? Because if he didn't, I retract what I've said, up to the point of your not following your "strong intuition". I mean, at what point did you actually have a say in all of this?

 

[ichinglover]

in the beginning I found this person re-pul-si-ve.. he was just a coworker...Then he suddenly started to talk to me...after that all these disasters happened...and more red flags started appear...
but I dodn't connect the dots
Yes, I slept with him against my best judgement, he didn't rape in the physical sense of the word...But why would I do something against my intuition, my common sense, my best judgement? Temporary insanity? may be...Love spell? Equally probable...I still find hin repulsive, btw, but I could not help myself, I needed to be around him...Almost against my will...

 

[meng]

ICL, let's put the blame idea away, ok? It's not the point, and it's not going to help you. What do you do now?

If this guy is violating your privacy, there are laws against that, and he should be reported, especially if your instincts send up red flags. That's number one, as I see it.

 

[meng]

If there's no actual stalking going on (did he take a secret photo of you that you found out about?), and no violation of your life or limb, we're back to square one, finding psychological or spiritual solutions. If this is the case, maybe it's good to ask: the best course of action for you now?

 

[ichinglover]

meng, thanks for focusing on the solutions!
I presume this person stil has my pictures, he can still go to the same psychic,
they are from the same family, if he is still interested in my life ( I hope not!!!),
or out of curiosity or spite

I want to be protected!!!!! I don't want his psychic to be able to read stuff
about me or to do anything to me...I want to be dead for him....

And aging, money, heath, job?
Some things are revesible - like job, some are not...

I want to leave the country and the continent where we both reside..

And I'll probably will

 

[meng]

As you probably know, there are many practices used for protection. I believe what matters most is that the one who it's for believes it. I ritually cleanse my house with white sage, and I pray in an affirming way for the changes I want. I'm sure others have their ways they protect themselves spiritually: white light, energy work, religious beliefs, etc. You have to find what you believe will work for you. I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers awhile too.

A thought I expressed earlier was that of considering becoming a part of a reliable church, at least until you've got some firm earth under your feet for awhile. This Harvard priest fellow might not be a bad contact for you for starters.

 

[gato]

- embrace or reflect every force going against you . don't oppose it.
- turn this in your advantage, at least for a short time. don't let him know everything that he does, works. be indifferent. act like nothing is happening . let him be tired instead of you.
- protection??? until you find it , just consider everything a jungle. you have to reach protection. protection will not come by itself.
- unless you can move to another galaxy there is no point in running. move to another continent / country, but make sure you are not doing it for this reason.
- of course, in time, you will find a way to forget this chapter, but, if you berry this in the depths of your consciousness, without healing it first, it will haunt you forever.
- btw it will be easier to consider it manipulation not rape, because at some point you felt some kind of attraction. and you were manipulated to feel that way.

 

[ichinglover]

thanks Meng and Gato!

Gato, what do you mean act like nothing happened? We are out of touch, anyways...

i just truly do not want him to know anything about my life...

 

[rosada]

As the I ching doesn't really give Yes or No answers, I find it effective when considering a "yes/no" question to interpret the hexagrams from both perspectives. Several people have interpreted 36.4.6 - 30 as meaning No, he did not put a love spell on you but I think a case could be made for these lines meaning that yes he did, but not to worry, you will recover.
Consider:
36.4
He penetrates the left side of the belly.
One gets at the very heart of the darkening of the light,
And leaves gate and courtyard.

This sounds like a pretty close description of what we know actually happened. You got close to this man, learned his most secret thoughts - that he was trying to manipulate you, even using spells - and realizing there was no hope of improvement you got away as quick as you could?
I think when the I Ching describes the situation so exactly as it is you can rightfully assume the IC is confirming your suspicion. The I Ching is saying yes, he did try putting spells on you.

36.6
Not light but darkness.
First he climbed up to heaven,
Then he plunged into the depths of the earth.

Here the I Ching tells you what happened next. He climbed to heaven, that is, he did indeed get to go out with you and even got to go to bed with you. But once he did then you were no longer his unattainable angel, instead you became harsh reality, a woman who did not love him.

These lines change to 30., a very promising hexagram for recovering your fire.

As to what he did to you with the picture I don't think he was able to do much.
17.2 could be describing his taking the picture to the psychic like a little boy rather than courting you as a grown man ought.
17.6 could be describing the psychic and he bonding over this little project.
10. The superior man discriminates between high and low and thereby fortifies the thinking of the people.
I think this is telling you that you can choose how you are going to think about this whole episode. Are you going to think of yourself as a victim or are you going to find a different way of framing the experience, a way that empowers you?

36.6 Is a scary line I think, because it also suggests the experience you've had of this whole connection almost destroying you before you get your 30.Clarity back.
So I think it is imperative you start reframing the story before you fall any deeper.
By reframing I mean can you start to consider that rather than his harming you with a spell, is it possible that because of your intimacy with this man you have taken on some of his inner feelings? I know when my husband comes home with a headache I will briefly take on the headache and he will become just fine! So perhaps this man is filled with self loathing, as you got to know him you felt repulsed by this loathing yet perhaps there was a compassionate side of you that also thought perhaps you could heal him? Perhaps that was the attitude that made you vulnerable to him, that somehow allowed him in. Anyway, now it's time to disconnect. There are actually spells for that (google spells for disconnecting)! If how you are feeling now is actually what his whole life is all about then muster up some more compassion for the fool, do some sort of Releasing ceremony, and don't ever try to save lost souls by going to bed with them again!

Best wishes,
Rosada

 

[gato]

thanks Meng and Gato!

Gato, what do you mean act like nothing happened? We are out of touch, anyways...

i just truly do not want him to know anything about my life...

you said its a co-worker so i thought you are still around him

 

[ichinglover]

don't ever try to save lost souls by going to bed with them again!

Rosada, I have to say you somehow managed to penetrate to the very core of the matter! I was with him out of pity! completely misdirected I must say..And the feelings of self loathing, I don't think they are his, in fact I don't know, men can be so arrogant and appear self-confident, so sometimes it's hard to say ...Thanks a lot for your analysis, it happens to be the most accurate and to resonate deeply with my own thoughts! Thanks a lot!!

You reading and your experience with taking on the feeling of others was so interesting and i can totally see where you are coming from, I do it myself all the time, to the extent that nowadays i need to be alone most of the times, all these foreign feelings are bombarding me...

Gato, I got fired from our job, he was spared, here is justice for you