how well does the well?

[lablanche]

Hello, can anyone help me , please, with hex 48.2.4.6>33 , i mean there seems to be a sound progression, improvement of the state of the well from a leaking one(bad situation), through upgrading, to a fully dependable one (a positive turnout of the situation in question).How come the whole picture changes to Retreat shown by hex 33?
Or could it be the other way around: the starting point is expressed by hex 33 ( retreating) and hex 48 shows the development of the issue?

Thank you for any input.:bows:

 

[willowfox]

Perhaps if there was a question, then people could figure out how to interpret the answer that you are presenting because without a context people are reduced to guessing what the situation is about.

 

[lablanche]

Yes, Willowfox, here goes the question: please, show me what will happen with my health (which seems to be in a bad phase again, or just could be better and it makes me feel anxious and lie low in almost everything now) , what can i expect?

 

[willowfox]

please, show me what will happen with my health, what can i expect?

hex 48.2.4.6>33

Are you taking medication? Because it suggests that you need to take it in order to repair whatever ails you. So, given time you will indeed get well again and as for Hex 33 retreat, it says that your illness will slowly disappear, so don't worry it is only a temporary phase that your body is going through.

 

[lablanche]

Thank you Willowfox, well put:"repair whatever ails you" . I can't help reading it quite lato sensu
Anyway, it is good news.

 

[Trojina]

Hello, can anyone help me , please, with hex 48.2.4.6>33 , i mean there seems to be a sound progression, improvement of the state of the well from a leaking one(bad situation), through upgrading, to a fully dependable one (a positive turnout of the situation in question).How come the whole picture changes to Retreat shown by hex 33?
Or could it be the other way around: the starting point is expressed by hex 33 ( retreating) and hex 48 shows the development of the issue?

Thank you for any input.:bows:

Yes it could be. In my own readings I'm quite flexible in how i see the relating hexgram, as background or as development of primary or just another aspect of the situation. When i saw this without knowing your question i was simply making it into a sentence either 'the well withdraws' or 'withdraw from the well'. I didn't post because i was tired and was trying to figure out if a well could withraw since it never moves lol...but if one sees the well as ones resources in a certain matter then those resources could be withdrawn i guess. Now you say your question was to show you how it is with your health ? Hmm to be honest I think this is one you are going to have to think about alot with regard to those images 'withdrawing' and 'the well' because i don't know how you might relate to those. Theres many ways for an outsider to view this. Withdrawal is generally an adaptive response, not negative running away but a strategic retreat to renew oneself or to get out of harms way and that seems to link in with what happens in 48.4. When the well is being lined essential repair must take place so the well can't be used. In health terms that might mean kind of enforced rest. If we read the lines in sequence could be in 48.2 your vital energies were as it were 'leaking' being scattered, an image of dissipation. In 48.4 perhaps you took a break to repair and in 48.6 once again you can take the clear water, your helalth is available renewed to you. But the crux of the recovery perhaps is in 33 , the withdrawal to give yourself chance to heal.

There'll be other ways to read it though. Maybe you'll share your take on it ? It doesn't work to be handed readings that aren't yours. That seems to be a misconception that gathers strength here daily amongst passers through. As if their reading had to be 'given' to them, that they themselves aren't part of it whereas an answer from the Yi is a very intimate thing. I'd be interested to hear what you think of the answer

 

[lablanche]

Hi Trojan, and thanks for stirring me I am more and more convinced that by posting our questions (with our personal hunch more or less conscious somewhere at the backstage) and recieving an answer from you people , the final result tends to be an intersection of the feelings we get on a matter

Anyway, i got the key answer from you concerning how one can view the relating hexagrams, which is something i have been experimenting on quite recently, and it remains a puzzle.

Your take ,as for how well the well does ,is dazzling , because from a broader perspective that inicial question of mine regarding my health condition looks very much like what you have just pointed out.

My take is : one's health problems are just the tip of an iceberg, and in this particular situation could somehow be connected with an "ailing" situation due the a withdrawal of benevolence, soothing tones, greater ammendments with an issue, so to speak.And from this perspective, i could see the IC's answer placing hex 33 as the background and hex 48 (the well) as the development, with its peak contained in line 48.6 which talks about clear water, a dependable well, etc (btw. the image of clear water takes me to the revival imagery, very much appropriate in this case)

So, the sentence (the answer) i could read from IC is : that which reatreated (and did harm) -hex 33- will get well -hex 48.

How does that sound to you? I mean, what we , the beginners , fear when we ask the oracle, i think, is to get trapped in wishful thinking, sometimes this can be prevented from the outsie, with amore downtoearth eye on the matter.

I would be grateful for an anwer on this too.

 

[willowfox]

The answer progresses from the initial lines to the second hex.

Therefore, line 48.2 shows the illness, line 48.4 shows that you need to take it easy and probably take medication to repair your body, line 48.6 says all is well once again while Hex 33 says that your illness has packed up and left the battle site.
But hex 33 also carries a warning, that if you neglect yourself again, then the problem will resurface as it will not be totally destroyed, it will be lying dormant and waiting to attack again..

 

[Trojina]

My take is : one's health problems are just the tip of an iceberg, and in this particular situation could somehow be connected with an "ailing" situation due the a withdrawal of benevolence, soothing tones, greater ammendments with an issue, so to speak.And from this perspective, i could see the IC's answer placing hex 33 as the background and hex 48 (the well) as the development, with its peak contained in line 48.6 which talks about clear water, a dependable well, etc (btw. the image of clear water takes me to the revival imagery, very much appropriate in this case)

So, the sentence (the answer) i could read from IC is : that which reatreated (and did harm) -hex 33- will get well -hex 48.

How does that sound to you? I mean, what we , the beginners , fear when we ask the oracle, i think, is to get trapped in wishful thinking, sometimes this can be prevented from the outsie, with amore downtoearth eye on the matter.

I would be grateful for an anwer on this too.

Um I find it a little difficult to understand that sentence but I think you might be saying something helpful withdrew and caused illness but will get better ? In 33 one withdraws not to hurt but to save oneself...Anyway without the situation its hard to say but seems to me you think your health is affected by another matter, an emotional matter. The most obvious reading to me is someone withdrawing to replenish their well, much like people often do after breakups and so on. If what you said in the sentence i didn't understand is true for you, makes sense to you in the reading I wouldn't dismiss it, hold it in your mind awhile and perhaps you might see more in the answer.

Re relating hexagrams i think it a matter of intuition how you see them in the reading. Instead of thinking of them as past or future you could see them as an overlap of situation, or a backdrop. Someone, (?)once said something like "the relating hexagram is the sea the primary hexagram swims in" which i liked. As it surrounds the primary it doesn't necessarily have to refer to the future or past. Personally I have always found looking to the relating hexagram as the future not very relevant at all, it helps more to forget the time angle and see it as the surround of a situation.

 

[lablanche]

Fantastic! Trojan, if this is the way you do NOT understand peoples' sentences , i wonder what happens when you do !Big Grin
Ok, as we've been working sort of backwards, here's the situation: i retreated from an "ailing" relationship situation before it got really difficult (or at least i thought it would). Needed time for regrouping, needed myself more than ever and more than anything elese. Btw,this is very much like Wilhelm/Baynes's hex 33 Retreat , where stepping back is viewed as a constructive retreat ("it is through retreat that success is achieved"). Isn't it?

But, stressed as i've been feeling , desease gained ground. So , i consider hex 33 as the ocean in which the whole situation is immersed , then hex 48.2.4.6 can only be read as the follow-up, the well which brings clear water (the cure, improvement) possbly meaning both: my heath(in physical terms)and the relationship crisis itself. And i am trying not to dismiss this reading of mine , and started heaving dreams with a very soothing effect

So, to make a long story short, i am tempted to say that Willowfox's take relates to the more somatic aspect of a grater issue,quite optimistic, thank you so much, and you Trojan sensed the
'other bottom of the ocean', great fun to see you getting so close, much obliged bows

And many many thnx for the tips concerning the relating hexagrams , one step further to unveling the oracle.