I dont think my Yi is a party animal.

[chan]

A couple friends wanted to do the Yi. It was after a party. Boy was the Yi blunt.

I tired to be all respectful, but it was hard to explain the whole Yi thing to them.

Anyway I tried my best. One of my friends I had suspected of doing cocaine on the sly. Just his behavior, but then i figured I was nuts. But, boy, did the Yi not mince words with him.

He wanted to know about his music practice, and the Yi was like "forget it." I didnt even know how to explain the bad news to him, so we just sort of left it. When I get bad news, I sit with it, but I really dont think he would like what it was sayng. Plus it took me a few days, and I understood in a bigger way, what it was saying to him.

Also, he threw the coins in a really over the top way. Drove me nuts.

Maybe just one on ones in the future.

I love my Yi, is really great, wished I could share it with them.

chan

 

[chan]

Hi.

Still want to talk about this. Might be interesting to a few people.

The Yi gave my friend 32.1 to 34. It took me a few days to understand the full scope. I BELIEVE the Yi was saying that he wanted something that LASTS, and he wants it too badly. And that he can't have it, it does not work that way.

But this was so much to explain to my friend. I don't think the YI was being judgemental that he's secretly doing coke, or anything, or even that he threw the coins like hail stones. The Yi can handle all that. In fact, the Yi went so much deeper to the core of his problem.

It was almost like, "Well, we only get this guy now, so make it count."

I dont know this friend so well. His wife is my dear dear friend, but she and her husband have been having real problems, and I felt the need to be cautious around him. Especailly since he was a bit out of control.

His questions had been about different ideas he had about how to go about playing his music. He is a music technitians for some really big stars, and he wants to go back to makeing his own. So his question was about busking music, basically. He had a dream to go back to busking music in parks, on the street. Or how to reclaim music for his own creativity, instead of in service to music stars with huge audiences.

I think the Yi was really trying to tell him something. Next time I will just give the information.

 

[Frankelmick]

Chan,

I think that you were in an awkward situation.

It sounds like you have a respectful relationship with the I Ching and an understanding of how you think you should approach the oracle.

Not everyone has this attitude.

You wrote, 'It was almost like, "Well, we only get this guy now, so make it count."'

Yes. I think that's exactly how it was.

Also, you are not responsible for what the I Ching told your friend. The reading did not come from you.

You wrote, "Next time I will just give the information."

Yes. I think that this is the way forward for you when reading for others.

Just say what you see without thinking about what you think they might want to hear.

Very best wishes,

Mick

 

[chan]

Thank you so much Mick.

I DO feel awkward about this, and your words help.

I have not read for others very much, and this was an experience. Also, I wanted to have something that I could share with a few people, now and then, with the Yi, always thought that way, that, so I was quite discouraged. After this reading I felt "Well, looks like just another interest you have that you can only do all by yourself'. "Another interest no one but you can enjoy." Started to feel so removed from all my friends because of my interests.

But really, the Yi was giving a strong message. Wish I'd been up to it, well, next time. One thing I'd seen this bloke do over the course of the weekend party was shove a child who was "in his way'. He didnt ask the child to move, he just shoved her. I was taken aback.

Thank you for speaking.

 

[candid]

Chan,

I empathize with you here. Talking about the Yi with most others is like talking about UFOs or little green gremlins; totally foreign. The best I can do is to exemplify Yi's values in my person. Then if it ever comes up, that is if it's noticed, I can mention something about the Yi, or at least a principle learned from the Yi. But even that rarely finds a receptive ear for more than 15 seconds. It's a different language, a different view of life altogether from what is the norm.

This naturally causes a gap between us and those we associate with day to day. We chingers should be careful of feeling superior because of our understanding of Yi?s teachings, same as with any belief system. If someone believes they?ve found a really important source of knowledge or wisdom they must make it show in their person. Only then does the value of the teaching become visible and transferable.

 

[chan]

Oh I don't feel superior, at all, did I sound that way? In relation to the guy, not superior, just nervous....too afraid of his temper to feel anything remotely like superior....if any thing, now that you mention it, i felt placed as an inferior in his world, and so, couldn't really speak with him...you know, as though i was another thing to shove out of the way....which was why i suspected him of coke, he was so jumpy.....so i wasnt thinking 'smug me'.....i wanted to make openings.....you know, so we could communicate. that sort of thing.

 

[candid]

Chan,

Sorry if I misunderstood and implied you were feeling superior. I was more sharing a caution that I have for myself.

 

[chan]

Oh, thanks Candid, but I must say, I dont feel we must make it show in our person....maybe that's my yin speaking....I rather think it unnecessary to calculate any manifestation of an enterprise with the Yi....what sayest thou? ....Why should you make it show? Candid, if you are superior, you are superior, sing it out!
If the cream pies come flying, so be it.

Splat!

chan the man

 

[candid]

Chan, do you think the Yi deepens your character? If not then why do you use it? If it does then how does it show?

 

[chan]

Yes, i do think it has deepened my understandings and character...... Yes, i love the Yi for this reason. Because of this process.

How does it show?

well, to what? to whom? for what reason?....what entity do I have to show? Yi is a process I take with the whole bundle of life....and itself, the Yi. nothing to show.

for me this is not a didactic effort, it is merely responding to the changes recieved.

which as you know, candid, are too wild and wooly to try and capture in any here and now.

if i did try to show, i would only feel like a horse's ass later.

but this is just me. obviously, i am no teacher.

 

[chan]

ahhh! candid!!!! i know where the superiority comes in...where you most likely picked that up, in my post.

(hope this does not turn into a crossed posts situation, if it does, i have not read your post yet)

from the sentance where i said something to the effect of "if i get bad news, i sit with it" implying, of course, that he could not.

and to be honest, i do not know if he COULD have sat with it, considering his frame of mind, ....off a tour, jumpy, aggressive, unhappy, wanting something NOW. and asnything else, better get out of his way type of thing....

but i agree, it was to my fault that i did not give him the straight up news, as incongruent to his serious question as it seemed at the time. i failed as a diviner, in this case. i needed to deliver the message, and let him do as he would with it.

so in this aspect, yes, your point is well taken.

in my own defense, the answer was so unkeeping with the sincerity with which he had pondered this question, about his own misical ability, that i was a bit taken aback. it took me time to contextualize the answer. ... in retrospect, i will just go forward, as Mick adivsed.

chan the HU-man.

 

[candid]

Chan, I'm not saying "make a show of it" or "show it off". I'm simply trying to say that communicating with those who don't know about or understand the Yi is best done through one's own character and actions. It's like trying to explain what a cool glass of water is to someone who is thirsty; it's better just to give them a drink.

And my comment about superiority was not directed at you specifically. It was a general comment directed to "we chingers". If it doesn't apply, just ignore it.

 

[heylise]

Blofeld, a great scholar, who among many other things made an excellent translation of the Yi, once gave a reading at a party.
He ended up feeling a complete fool.

Even though he was the real expert.

LiSe

 

[chan]

Candid, gotcha.

LiSe, Thank you for the anecdote. I know how he felt.

ciao.
cian.