Q abt therapist

[rose]

Hi everyone,

any help is much appreciated. Im currently seeing a therapist. It's alternative therapy. It's costing quite a lot, ske keeps saying it'll work. We have discussed the methods she'll use, which she is sure of, but i truly dont know.

I asked if she is a scam?
44.4.5.6 --> 46

she's not a scam
30.1.4.6 --> 15

with thanks
rose

 

[dobro p]

You ask 'scam?' and the Yi says 'be careful of the woman.'

You ask 'trustworthy?' and the Yi says 'light you can cling to'.

It's frustrating when the Yi seems only to echo your question rather than offer something in the way of the answer our emotions want, but it's interesting to me to look at the relating hexes - both are indicative of good outcomes therapy-wise (46 is stepping up to a higher level (Yay!) and 15's about humbling, and if ever therapy was successful, it was when ego is humbled).

So maybe you haven't found the right question to ask yet.

 

[Trojina]

Hi everyone,

any help is much appreciated. Im currently seeing a therapist. It's alternative therapy. It's costing quite a lot, ske keeps saying it'll work. We have discussed the methods she'll use, which she is sure of, but i truly dont know.

I asked if she is a scam?
44.4.5.6 --> 46

she's not a scam
30.1.4.6 --> 15

with thanks
rose

echoing what Dobro said...i think you need a question more along the lines of how this will work for you. its a very black and white choice between 'is she a scam' or 'is she not a scam'. Its usual for people for whom the alternative therapy does work its 'not a scam'...for those for whom it doesn't work 'its a scam'. In other words this woman may not be objectively either a scam or not scam...it depends if the client finds her methods work for them. All you need to know is whether her methods will work for you...she could be totally genuine yet still her treatment may not work on you, theres no guarantees in this field is there, often not even in 'scientific' medicine much depends on how the individual receives it

 

[gato]

agree, with trojan and i have something more to add: scientific medicine sometimes/often won't work (to say the least) yet is accepted and respected but it is what you believe ( i know, it is a cliche ) that will ultimately make it work... or not.

this reminds me of a romanian old story:
The people of village were asking the priest to make something for the rain to come.
Priest said:No, you do not believe, so I can't.
-We do, we do, we pray every morning and evening, please do something the people said
-If you do believe, why didn't you brought your umbrella ? the priest answered

 

[rose]

asked a more direct Q

Thank you dobro, trojan and gato. I see that I have asked a Q that is not reflecting what matters the most - if it'll work for me.

I asked for clarification that her methods will work for me (as to achieve what i need it to)
8.5 to 2


Clarification that her methods will not work for me (as to achieve what i need it to)
37.2.3 to 61

Both sound positive? Does this go to say it can go either way and it depends on whether i believe in it or not (if i bring an umbrella or not as gato's story)

with thanks
rose

 

[dobro p]

Although I've used that 'two sides of the question' approach that you're continuing to employ, I think the Yi responds best to a single question that comes straight from the heart.

But yeah, both look pretty positive, the first more than the second, I think. So it would seem that the Yi's endorsing the direction your questioning is taking, moving away from scam possibilities to 'usefulness for you' possibilities.

How about the wide open question, though? 'What do I need to know about continuing to participate in this therapy?' That question images you continuing to do the therapy, and what the Yi gives you will describe or comment on or give advice about how to carry out that approach. You don't have to ask about the other side of the coin, because just the one question will give you a clear idea about whether it's a good thing to do in itself.

 

[Trojina]

Thank you dobro, trojan and gato. I see that I have asked a Q that is not reflecting what matters the most - if it'll work for me.

I asked for clarification that her methods will work for me (as to achieve what i need it to)
8.5 to 2


Clarification that her methods will not work for me (as to achieve what i need it to)
37.2.3 to 61

Both sound positive? Does this go to say it can go either way and it depends on whether i believe in it or not (if i bring an umbrella or not as gato's story)

with thanks
rose

Not sure i really understand how you phrased the questions but anyway I'm afraid i have to be vague and say these answers ask you to reflect on what you feel 'belongs' with you, what 'sits right' with you. The point in 8.5 is that coercion should not be needed. That what naturally belongs together should come together without force. Some game escapes, some is caught...This woman should not really have to convince you of anything. if its right for you, you'll go to her. If you feel she is using undue persuasion that may not be a good sign

Trouble is I'm not understanding the questions 'clarification that her methods will not work for me" Hmmm? I may be dense tonight but ...are you saying 'clarify for me this won't work' ? No i can't get my head around that cos its a statement rather than a question...(not setting out to be picky honest ) maybe you mean "will this not work ?"

well 37.2 asks for some seriousness, not indulging whims, being prudent with resources and so on, somewhat conservative i think and 37.3 advises strictness is better than laxity. I think this answer advises good housewifely prudence in use of your money...but that doesn't mean not to go to her...though it may be asking you to consider how necessary this really is.

I do agree with Dobro that an open question like the one he suggested would make things clearer. I also agree a single question straight from the heart mostly answers us very well..

 

[rose]

Thanks Dobro. Sorry didnt mean to ask a redundant Q, just thought asking two sides of the coin might make it clearer. But it' not always the case..

I have a niggling Q, say when the line of questioning is negative, as in this method will Not work for me, and i recieve a positive answer, does that positive answer reaffirm the negative Q or is it saying that the outcome is opposite of the negative Q?

I asked the Q 'What do I need to know about continuing to participate in this therapy' and got
6.2.4 to 20

Usually a 6 has meant literal arguing whenever i got it....oh oh...does this suggest this is where im headed to with my therapist? Cos I have already paid upfront and there's no refund. Is Yi telling me not to go into conflict with my therapist/therapy and to let it come into view, as in give it time to work? On the whole the therapy should be positive for me?

thanks

 

[tigerintheboat]

Guarantees

Thank you dobro, trojan and gato. I see that I have asked a Q that is not reflecting what matters the most - if it'll work for me.

I asked for clarification that her methods will work for me (as to achieve what i need it to)
8.5 to 2


Clarification that her methods will not work for me (as to achieve what i need it to)
37.2.3 to 61

Both sound positive?

Rose, the outcome may be ambiguous, not black and white, the therapy may work to some degree, you may have some success but not complete success. There is no such thing as guaranteed therapy, or even a guaranteed medical treatment. There are degrees of success and they depend to some extent on time and your cooperation and patience.

Tiger

 

[rose]

Hi Trojan,

just saw your reply. When I use the word 'clarification' in a Q with the Yi, that's my way of saying "Dear Yi please please give me a clear answer that I understand, so it's clarifying for me". I try to interpret my answers but sometimes struggle a lot, which leads me to ask more Q's, which i feel not to be the right way to use the Yi Ching. So the word is part of my internal dialouge. Sorry I didnt stop to think about it when I posted.So your right, what I asked was "Will this method work for me" and "Will this not work for me".

Do you think 8.5 could be referring to what I wanted to achieve from therapy? that that endpoint that I seek should come naturally??

Is Yi trying to tell me it's not that the therapy wont work, but rather pointing to what I want to achieve from therapy should come about with seriousness and strictness, which relates to Hex 61,talking abt pigs and fishes being symbols of fertility and abundance, but at the same time least intelligent animals, so pointing to lots of work being required?

Im a bit confused, is it that I cant see or dont???? :-(

thanks

 

[rose]

Thanks Tiger,

The thing is, this is not a conventional method of therapy. So there is no accreditation board or anything. I looked up this lady on the internet, had a chat with her, she's saying what I like to achieve can be done. And I have paid, there are no refunds. The thing in my head is maybe this method works, but she cant work it and only says she can OR this method doesnt work, even though she believes it does. I guess I have paid, I can only go for the sessions, and put in what's required of me as a patient and hope the methods help me. All these doubts came about cos I read one testimonial that said it didnt work. But I really like help with my situation so i hope and pray it works.


rose

 

[dobro p]

Sometimes therapy's useful, sometimes less so, so Tiger's idea that in this case it might be ambiguous for you is entirely possible. However, none of what you've drawn so far looks like a warning about the therapy being negative or harmful. Finally, "I asked the Q 'What do I need to know about continuing to participate in this therapy' and got 6.2.4 to 20" could reflect one of three things:

* what you need to know about continuing with the therapy

* your conflicted state of mind over this ('conflicted seeing')

* the overall muddying of the waters due to all the different questioning

I'm not picking up any warning signs from all of this, but I'm not getting any clear indication of how to proceed either. So... what do you *want* to do in this? It sounds like you want to go through with it, is that right?

 

[tigerintheboat]

Seek Union and Be Passive (Like the Faithful Mare)

I asked for clarification that her methods will work for me (as to achieve what i need it to)
8.5 to 2

Well, if I got this reading, I would take it as a positive. It says you need to be passive (H2) and that you are Seeking Union (H8). Line 5 seems to indicate you were not coerced, you same Seeking Union, and you are in the right place. The way is open for you to proceed or to escape, but H2 makes me think you should be passive to the process and really allow it the possibility of working.

Tiger

 

[dobro p]

Yeah.

+1

 

[rose]

Thank you kindly everyone! Much appreciated. Im more at ease, and am not going to fight it or doubt, and just let it be to allow it the possibility of working.

xx rose

 

[meng]

Rose,

I think the readings are speaking to what you can expect, but not so much based upon her or her method but upon you and your willingness to cooperate with it. 44/46 is your suspicion and "pushiness" regarding the matter. 30/15 shows the required attitude to receive benefit from the therapy. 8.5/2 shows the outcome of your openness, to take from it what applies and is usable, and let the rest go. 37/61 shows again that it will help, but that it requires working together as a family to reach the truth. 6/20 shows that you're still not buying into the treatment, and probably over analyzing it.

 

[rose]

Thank you very very much Meng That helps. Am sorry I didnt have a chance to thank you for interpreting one of my readings earlier.

 

[meng]

:bows: glad you find it helpful.