wow!! 29.1.2.3.4.5.6--30

[Annabel]

Hi!
Today I asked the I-Ching: what can you tell me that is important and necessary to know about "X" towards me at this moment? and it came out 29.1.2.3.4.5.6--30
I never got a hexagram with all the mutant lines.
My interpretation is that "X" has been like water, advancing and flowing following its path (29) and that perhaps now he cannot deny his fears or his deepest emotions, and must face them, unite, give in (30)
what do you think?

 

[breakmov]

Hello

Annabel​

what can you tell me that is important and necessary to know about "X" towards me at this moment?

...and also about you in relation to "X"?



If that makes sense, then it implies knowing what is important and necessary in your relationship... a two-way engagement of action and feedback from both.



... I imagine 29.1.2.3.4.5.6--30 show the involvement of both focused on how to deal with present emotions, taking into account each other's clarity of perception in the interaction in this relationship.

....Relationship in the broadest sense... the lack of a relationship is also in itself a "form of relationship".

breakmov

 

[Liselle]

the lack of a relationship is also in itself a "form of relationship".

Very true, but I'm not following how you get lack of relationship from the reading or Annabel's post. Can you explain more?

And Annabel - is X someone you are or have been in a relationship with, or are you wondering about a potential relationship?

Otherwise...I don't know quite what to say about the reading that will sound much like an answer. As you said, 29 can feel like taking a scary plunge into the dark, and that's the basic answer since it's the primary hexagram.

Changing to 30 with all that activity - I suppose it could mean moving towards clarity. ("Moving towards" is one way to understand the primary-relating relationship. It's zhi in Chinese: primary zhi relating.)

If you plunge into something, you probably can't help but get clearer about it, but this is not easy with these hexagrams. There's a little bit of a natural pull there because they're in sequence, but they're also opposites, so it's a complete transformation (each yin line has to change to yang, and vice versa).

You might keep a good eye on the lines, and see if you see any hints of them in his behavior towards you.

I suppose he could be thinking something like, "The only way I'll know is to take a chance and jump in." I don't know if that's any different from what you already thought.

 

[breakmov]

Very true, but I'm not following how you get lack of relationship from the reading or Annabel's post. Can you explain more?

29.1.2.3.4.5.6--30 shows a total relationship with opposites... and if you consider the "patterns of change," with yang pattern = 1 and yin pattern = 2, you can see that the relationship is all centered on a "plan for the future"; the factor that moves this relationship of opposites represents all the available energy of the situation.... and so the yin pattern = 2, the "responsible factor for execution," is left with an empty space "without a seed that can eventually bear fruit".... this stems from boolean algebra expressed in the patterns of change.....




...and hence the reading shows a plan, without yet a seed that can sprout and possibly bear fruit... it shows this phase of "non-relationship"... applied to the current situation, a desire for emotional management, taking into account the clarity of perception of the relationship, but without a seed that allows channeling all this need into something more productive.

breakmov

 

[Liselle]

Thank you for taking the trouble to write all of that out, Breakmov. That was a lot of work.

I don't pretend to understand it, though - is there anything more on it that you could link to?

(Also, unfortunately, bits of your diagram aren't readable. When I zoom in, some of the smaller things turn to pixels. I suspect it's because the forum limits image sizes and the resolution suffers.)

if you consider the "patterns of change," with yang pattern = 1 and yin pattern = 2, you can see that the relationship is all centered on a "plan for the future"; the factor that moves this relationship of opposites represents all the available energy of the situation.... and so the yin pattern = 2, the "responsible factor for execution," is left with an empty space "without a seed that can eventually bear fruit".... this stems from boolean algebra expressed in the patterns of change.....

Does this mean that nothing (no reading, no situation, no query, however one wants to think about it) with all lines changing will ever bear fruit? And conversely that unchanging readings will always bear fruit, because the change patterns are the other way around?

 

[moss elk]

Hi!
Today I asked the I-Ching: what can you tell me that is important and necessary to know about "X" towards me at this moment? and it came out 29.1.2.3.4.5.6--30

There is Danger, Clearly.

Do you already know this?

 

[Annabel]

Hello

Annabel​

...and also about you in relation to "X"?



If that makes sense, then it implies knowing what is important and necessary in your relationship... a two-way engagement of action and feedback from both.



... I imagine 29.1.2.3.4.5.6--30 show the involvement of both focused on how to deal with present emotions, taking into account each other's clarity of perception in the interaction in this relationship.

....Relationship in the broadest sense... the lack of a relationship is also in itself a "form of relationship".

breakmov

The question was from him to me, not from both of us.

 

[breakmov]

The question was from him to me, not from both of us.

I can only wish that you quickly learn that you cannot know what others think, do or feel...but you can use the Yijing to investigate your own thoughts and your relationship with the world around you...in any reading you do, the focus will always be on your process of thinking, feeling, interacting.

breakmov

 

[Liselle]

That's not always true. But I agree it's often more helpful to ask something you have some control over. That often ends up being the next question anyway.

(Analogy.....
Perfectly reasonable question: "Why is my cat (insert symptom/ behavior)?"
Answer: something that might be comprehensible to a vet, or a cat, but not so much to me.

Okay, now that that's out of my system...what should I do about it? So I ask Yi for advice, or for a next step, or "What if I try xyz?," and hopefully I can understand the answer in those terms. So really, I may as well have started there.)

Another problem is even if you come up with an interpretation, it's harder to know if you're getting it right. For instance up above I came up with something that seems 29-to-30-ish that might be what X thinks. Whether it is or not, who knows. If it makes sense to Annabel, based on a gut feeling, or what she knows from real life, or what she might observe now that she has cues from Yi, great. Successful "mind-reading." But if not, there might not be anywhere to go with it.