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Hi, Theoretical question- Some people I've read say the hexagram the moving lines change INTO is a picture of the present situation or background. THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME because as I understand it, if you get, let's say, 2 moving lines,THEY HAVE TO BE(???) SEQUENTIAL IN TIME, CHRONOLOGICAL one line is going to manifest before the other in time- therefore the relating hexagram logically (??) is the chronological outcome of the moving lines in TIME not present time. for that dont youread the PRE-JUDGEMENT COMMENTRAY TO GET BACKGROUND PICTURE THANKS AZIMM
But actually deciding to skip the second hexagram often comes of getting stuck on the idea that it’s a ‘resulting hexagram’ that shows the future. This leads to readings with a supposed internal logic: obey first hexagram, follow advice of lines, reach second hexagram. The logic is incredibly neat, tidy and easily explained – so it probably shouldn’t be a surprise that in real readings with the Yijing, it often makes No Sense Whatsoever.
Follow the advice of the perfectly pleasant line from this perfectly pleasant hexagram and you too can land in this remarkably unpleasant-sounding hole (58.1). Incur this hideous misfortune and then you arrive somewhere good (23.4). In an attempt to keep things straight, you wind up reasoning that if you like the second hexagram, you can reach it by doing what the lines say. Or maybe by not doing what the lines say, if they’re ill-omened. And if you don’t like the second hexagram and wouldn’t want to reach it, maybe you can avoid it by following (or not following) the advice of the lines? And then if the advice of the lines, that either does or doesn’t lead to the ‘resulting’ hexagram, goes in two (or three) opposing directions at once… well, then you might be forgiven for no longer looking at the second hexagram at all.
It is nonsensical to take the relating hexagram as 'the future'
Well I've never seen it work. I mean how a person uses it is up to them.
However, there's a great logical distance between saying 'I've never seen it work' and saying 'it's nonsensical'. I find it inappropriate to characterise the divinatory tradition of centuries as 'nonsensical'.
This is something I have ranted written about before – the splendid nonsense that’s created when we try to string hexagrams and lines out along a timeline, where the primary hexagram and its lines always cause the relating hexagram. If we just stop doing that, and instead read what we cast – just one six-line figure, one unit of meaning, that can contain the meeting of two hexagrams – then the nonsense evaporates.
I find it inappropriate to characterise the divinatory tradition of centuries as 'nonsensical'.
Of course I will not report your post. When I said 'inappropriate', I meant that it doesn't sound nice to me to call traditional I Ching divination 'nonsense'. Maybe others find this word ok. If this word is acceptable by the majority here, then maybe we can all start using it to characterise other posters' opinions.
It is nonsensical to take the relating hexagram as 'the future' = you only have to look,,,as Hilary describes in this Blog I think I have given you before ……….
This is something I have ranted written about before – the splendid nonsense that’s created when we try to string hexagrams and lines out along a timeline, where the primary hexagram and its lines always cause the relating hexagram. If we just stop doing that, and instead read what we cast – just one six-line figure, one unit of meaning, that can contain the meeting of two hexagrams – then the nonsense evaporates
As I understand it, if you get, let's say, 2 moving lines,THEY HAVE TO BE(???) SEQUENTIAL IN TIME, CHRONOLOGICAL
After 4 years of doing 100s of interpretations, I began to realize that the I Ching has so many more layers. These layers do not always linear but can moves spherical or cylindrical, can move relatively, , they do not always have an obvious time difference where there is a present and future result,
... what I finally came to the conclusion that It is simple...the 1sr Hex addresses the answer with a solution that will require action to address the intent behind the question. The 2nd Hex gives information of what is possible should you do what it takes to change or transform your attitude to achieve what the Inquirer is really seeking. So it could represent a present and/or future situation,chronological or simulataneously.
.I envision Pat Morita teaching Ralph Macchio to wax-on and wax-off.
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