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Hexagram 58, line 4: "Often a man finds himself weighing the choice between various kinds of pleasures, and so long as he has not decided which kind he will choose, the higher or the lower, he has no inner peace. Only when he clearly recognizes that passion brings suffering, can he make up his mind to turn away from the lower pleasures and to strive for the higher. Once this decision is sealed, he finds true joy and peace, and inner conflict is overcome."
The person here needs to make a choice, either right or wrong.
Any reading that you make is always the best reading that you can make at that time. You give the reading through your current understanding so when you are giving a reading for someone else there is know way of knowing how it applies to that other person and whether they would take the same actions as you would.Right or wrong actions: How to know when it implies someone else's actions?
Hi Lyandra
No expert, but in case the comment could be useful
1.- I'm sure you are clear about this, but I would say it again. That is not line 4..that is someone's interpretation on line 4. Many people refers more to commentaries than to the text.
2.- Yijing is not an automatic thing. No matter is you are reading for yourself, or for another people. The answer is just a MODEL not the REALITY. You always need to check the model against the reality (that is discernment). If model and reality combine, you can wait to see in reality the omen of the model. If model and reality doesn't match, you can't expect to see in real life the omen of the model. In ancient text this is explained with several cases.
3.- If the answer is only about Hex 58, Line 4.
a) The Yijing says: "Joyousness that is weighed is not at peace" The model is of a person with inner hesitation. First thing for you to examinate: Does this model match the real status of the person?
b) The Yijing says: "After ridding himself of mistakes a man has joy." This is not telling that the people is going to do it; nor that the people is not to doing it. It is only a lesson of fact:the way to achieve joy is ridding the mistakes. Second thing for you to examinate: Are you going to to tell that line to your friend? Are you free to accept whatever he/she would decide?
c) The Yijing says: "the superior man joins with his friends for discussion and practice." This is a model where he/she would find dificult to make a right decision by her/his own. He/she need the help of friends. Third thing for you to examinate: are you the right friend to help him/her?
d) The cause of 58.4 is in 56.4: the traveler (a lonely one) has a place but there is sadness inside. The effect when you achieve the lesson in 58.4 is the model of someone in peace with his/her limitations.
The model of this answer makes me think that you may be involved in the reading. Are you expecting to set new rules in the relation with this person? This new set of rules in the relation that you may expect, implies the recognition and enmend of his/her mistakes (or what you see as his/her mistakes)?
If this model (my personal interpretation) match your reality, I would say that you need to work together, without recrimination but serenity. But of course, if this model has nothing to do with you real life, then ignore it.
Best wishes
Any reading that you make is always the best reading that you can make at that time. You give the reading through your current understanding so when you are giving a reading for someone else there is know way of knowing how it applies to that other person and whether they would take the same actions as you would.
You offer it up to them and it either resonates with them or it doesn't. End of story - nothing right or wrong about it.
Be well
Mike
Hi
Of course you can ask for others action. It is best to ask about others if you are involved. In the ancient texts there are lots of questions for others actions.
Best way to interpret?: draw the model of the answer and check it against the few facts of reality you have. I know this can seems like saying everything and nothing at the same time; but I don't know how can explain it in diferent way.
Also, the way you frame the question has a high impact in the way you can interpret. If ypu ask "will x do y", the answer point to the most probably action. But even in that case, that is only a tendency -based on present influences- that can change due to free will.
Best wishes
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