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I teach/counsel/coach people on meditation and other spiritual matters. I asked how best to help people and got
That you should retreat from this idea ?
Retreat from doing that. It may seem weird right now but in hindsight it may make more sense perhaps. Perhaps it is actually draining you and you need to get distance from the whole role ? (36.1)
The 33>39 speaks for itself, it's a struggle, retreat, stop banging your head against a brick wall ? If you are the one that needs help, and the 33>39 makes it look that way, helping others doesn't help you. It looks to me like you need to help yourself now before others.
Thanks! Hrm, interesting. Could be, but I must say it doesn't feel like that. Indeed, if anything I'm coming off of a period where I had more or less retreated from it for a while, or at least receded somewhat, and now I'm getting more engaged and that feels good.
I wonder if the 33 could be interpreted in somewhat more unconventional ways. For example, maybe it means literally teaching at various spiritual retreats, perhaps in different areas ... particularly in light of the sense of impasse (39) I've gotten in the places I've been trying to teach so far? And that might again go with the travel motif of 36.1.
So I wonder if it's saying: "retreat from the places which don't value or understand you," "retreat from the places where it feels like a battle or you can't get forward traction easily."
I asked, for example, about approaching a lot more yoga studios for the possibility of doing workshops (something I haven't done much of) and got
45.4 Gathering Together > 8 Union
45.4 is an interesting and somewhat ambiguous line.
WB translates it as: "Great good fortune. No blame." but Legge translates it, in line with the Confucian commentators, "The fourth line, dynamic, shows its subject in such a state that, if he is greatly fortunate, he will receive no blame."
Most translators, seem, however, to think of it as something good, and 45 as a whole is of course positive for spiritual meetings and the nourishment of others spiritually.
liquidity
How to help people? 36.1 > 15 and 33.4.6 > 39
I teach/counsel/coach people on meditation and other spiritual matters. I asked how best to help people and got
If it feels easy and natural and enlivening that's the same as feeling good but is that feeling the measure of whether people are helped ? I'm not very clear about that.
I don't really understand how you mean 'best to help people', I mean I don't understand that sentence following on from the previous one. It is a burden to set oneself up as a spiritual authority surely which is why Yi says to withdraw ? Teaching yoga and meditation is enough isn't it, that's what you are doing ?
This was in response to your earlier suggestion that it was perhaps draining me.
Unfortunately it is not that simple. Spirituality as I see it goes far beyond some technique or knowledge that can be taught straightforwardly; it is a way of being that touches on the incommunicable. So it is far from obvious how best to convey that and to whom. This is why Zen monks and the like communicated in koans, for instance.
So it is far from obvious how best to convey that and to whom.
I can't see how this is a reply to what I've said I've not said anything about spirituality as technique or knowledge that can be taught and I do of course know spirituality goes beyond practices etc. But I don't know in what way you want to convey something to people, I mean you don't see yourself as a guru do you. You don't generally come across like you think that you are.
I'm lost. Christ conveyed what he had to everyone though he also did say not to cast pearls before swine but I forget in what context. Do you mean you believe you have something to convey to people that will enhance their spirituality ?
Depends on what you mean by guru. If by guru you mean spiritual guide or mentor, then yes, absolutely.
I guess I have difficulty with the idea of an individual setting out to nourish others spiritually because how would they know when they are doing that ? Who is to say what nourishing others spiritually is and how do you know when you've done it. To my mind being a yoga/meditation teacher is enough in itself, it doesn't come with spiritual authority does it ?
Other's may see it differently and I'm sure you will but that's my thoughts on it.
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