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I'll define my terms, too . When I say 'thought', I mean any kind of animated mental activity, either intellectual or emotional or even sensation.
A child and his talking rabbit!
It fits. The child now seems to be throwing a tantrumbecause nobody listened.
I hope he doesn't scare his rabbit away :bows:
But anyway, what do *you* mean when you say 'magic'? For me, the primary meaning is 'magick' - Aleister Crowley stuff - maybe white, maybe black, but always looking to manipulate outcomes using analogous ritual. The reason I'd like to explore this is cuz of the possible connection with Yi consultation.
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Thinking is not the problem. Nor is defining. It doesn't close gates. On the contrary, it can open them.
A clear precise intellect is an asset, in every walk of life. Mystical life too.
But the isolated intellect, intellect without feeling, that is a problem. For real understanding - what Heinlein called 'grokking' - you need the whole of yourself. Intellect alone is not enough.
Hmm, I now get the feeling that this is so trivial that it doesn't need to be said. Open door? Oh, well.
Is using the Yi a form of magic the way I've defined it? I think the answer is - no, not really. It doesn't seek to manipulate events so much as access information that isn't ordinarily available to you, information that makes you wiser than you would otherwise be. I think it's sort of like going to a teacher and saying: "I'm kind of stupid about this - what do I need to be paying attention to right now and how should I be viewing it and maybe how could I be handling it a bit more skillfully?" I think that's legitimate, because it's a learning experience and it seeks to put me in harmony with myself and the universe. But magic per se is really dubious in my view, cuz it's so *manipulative* of outcomes. It doesn't try to learn, it tries to get what it wants.
.........Magical, the word is not so easy to define for me, life is 'magical', what does that mean? .
If you want to call it magic, that's okay with me I suppose, but it reminds me a bit of the Disney candyfloss that had Trojan putting her fingers down her throat. I'd rather just call it 'the hidden order'. (Or if I'm feeling romantickal, the 'mystery'.)
I recall in a thread where I asked how would you explain to a kid what Yi is and your answer was : “You can ask it questions and when you do an angel will answer them. “
Maria
I recall in a thread where I asked how would you explain to a kid what Yi is and your answer was : “You can ask it questions and when you do an angel will answer them. “
Is something I have in my mind. A simple answer that explains everything. No definitions ,no descriptions but nothing is missing.
Very good but do you think a kid would let you get away with that and say "okay thanks Maria". Judging by the kids I've known they'd be more likley to say "What kind of angel ?"
Of course what is hidden for me and just about to be revealed might not be hidden for you at all and so you may take it for granted, there is nothing magical about it. Not for you.
If that is so then, if there is any use for the word magical (and still trying to avoid the floss), it would refer to something on the boundary between knowing and not knowing? Still mostly hidden but beginning to reveal itself? This is relative then, relative to the knower and his or her awareness.
Thats very good but do you think a kid would be satisfied with that and say "okay thanks Maria" (or Martin). Judging by the kids I've known they'd be more likley to say "What kind of angel ?"
Would you say to a 3-years old that there is no Santa ? I wouldn't .
Santa : Old man, red clothes, brings presents
Angel : Young man/ woman white clothes, wings
Simple.
no I wouldn't tell a 3 year old there was no Santa. My point was that kids are inquisitive, they don't just swallow any old thing and they ask 100s of questions. They're not even simple questions they ask. If Santa is due and you have a 3 year old you have to have a few answers to hand to questions like "how does he get in" and "where will he put the reindeer" and so on. They are not empty headed accepting little creatures. Look at Martin for example, a rebel at 5 years old, lol
Clarity,
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