17.5 to 51. Just moved into a property I’m unsure about.

[heavenlytumbleweed]

I just signed the lease for a new property and moved in today. I’ve had issues with my housing before a lot in the past due to health issues and having a mould allergy.

My friend noticed a bit of black mould in their bedroom, we still haven’t confirmed but I can feel some familiar symptoms returning albeit a mere fraction of what I can get when I am in a really mould ridden place.

We’ve both spent all of our savings on moving and first months rent and really don’t want to have to move again.
I asked the question what would be the outcome of staying.

Part of me wants to believe that I can adapt or that my exposure is negligible enough or that maybe it’s in my head.

I’ve already had to move from previous properties because of a mould situation but they were much worse.
I have chronic health issues that have been really badly exacerbated by mould in the past but I have also been trying to build more resilience through my healing.

 

[Liselle]

What question didvyou ask, Heavenly?

 

[rosada]

If you were just asking for a general picture of your situation I see this as saying you’ve gotten into this new place, maybe 17.5 is saying what a nice place you thought it was - and then 51. Shock, the mold. 51 advises staying calm while dealing with things. Together I think the lines are advising you not to ignore your concerns.

 

[BlindedFox]

what would be the outcome of staying
17.5 to 51, you already followed advice and invested in this new place, but shock, there seems to be the same condition. Apparently fortunately for you, it affects somebody else. If there was an agreement on the spaces, and the actual situation arouses anger, what was decided stands now and should be respected. It would be wise to stay away from teaming up with others now. Its time to hold and develope your position, in matters of money and commitment.

 

[heavenlytumbleweed]

Thanks for the replies. I asked "what would the outcome be of staying here"
At the moment I'm waiting for a specialist to assess the situation to see if they can remediate it.
As to the outcome of this avenue I pulled Hexagram 41, Decreasing. Unchanging.
Does this mean I just need to give up/ let go of trying to stay and make it work?

 

[BlindedFox]

Thanks for the replies. I asked "what would the outcome be of staying here"
At the moment I'm waiting for a specialist to assess the situation to see if they can remediate it.
As to the outcome of this avenue I pulled Hexagram 41, Decreasing. Unchanging.
Does this mean I just need to give up/ let go of trying to stay and make it work?

As to the outcome of this avenue
41, Decreasing. Unchanging, decrease, additional costs, you should really consider diminishing your participation in expenses and keep them under control until things are clear

 

[rosada]

41. Decrease anger, decrease desires.
Could actually mean you are able to stay with Decreased worries!
I see 41. as emphasizing the importance of calmly dealing with the situation. Particularly don't be overly desiring that the results allow you to stay to the point that you underestimate the importance of the results of the assessment. Just stay calm and act on what the results advise.

 

[Trojina]

Re 17.5 you need to focus on what the line says in the I Ching which is

'Sincere and confident in excellence.
Good fortune.'

With one line that line carries a lot of weight. 51 here is not a future event, it makes no sense to go looking for future shock when you understand the relating hexagram is part of the answer now. You had a shock when you found the mould, no sense in seeing it as a future thing to dread.

 

[Liselle]

It might be the nature of 17 - Following - that you're not going to be able to work out what to do, maybe you'll just have to look into things and see what you find and go from there. Following doesn't make plans or figure out solutions, it just Follows. 51 in the background might add some energy to that like what you're already doing, calling the specialist in and whatnot. Following actively or in an engaged way if that makes any sense.

5th line position might back that up - 5th lines are the king's lines, suggesting you do have some power and choices. Usually kings are the ones leading, but they don't magically know everything themselves and so do need to follow counsel while still being the one who decides in the end. How would a king follow or be led?

 

[heavenlytumbleweed]

UPDATE. A few days after this post we found considerable amounts of mould in the air conditioner which my housemate had running for a few days. Since ceasing its use alot of the intensity of my symptoms went away and I could feel my body start to detox but I am still dealing with mild symptoms that flare more in certain areas of the apartment probably due to the spores having spread everywhere now. We have paid the deposit for the building biologist but I am having cold feet about investing the last of our money in this if things don't improve as my level of sensitivity is quite high. Doing so would likely also ruin our friendship. But part of me just wants to drop everything and move to the desert where I no longer have to worry about this sort of thing. Money is also very stressful right now.

I got 51, shock again, unchanging as a general read.
41.1.6 to 7 for STAYING and consulting the building biologist
41.2.4 to 21 for MOVING

41.1.6 > 7 STAYING

Decrease>Army

Decrease in mould or surrendering/giving up. Army = Requiring strategy?

One withdraws one's complaint because the others did not want to hear it.

Could it be saying that staying means my complaint won't be heard because it's a non-issue? Or easily fixed?

Decrease>Army

Decrease in mould or surrendering/giving up. Army = Requiring strategy?

41.2.4 > 21 MOVING


Decrease>Nourishment

Decrease - giving up, possibly getting rid of possessions, relationships. Moving will be an expense that decreases resources.

Biting through - cutting through to the truth, decisive action, confronting the issue head on

Refusing a pardon
One remembers those who have harmed those one loves

Moving means creating harm?

Decrease>Nourishment

Decrease - giving up, possibly getting rid of possessions, relationships. Moving will be an expense that decreases resources.

Biting through - cutting through to the truth, decisive action, confronting the issue head on

 

[Liselle]

The advice in 51 usually seems to be not to get too rattled, don't drop the "sacred ladle and libation."

Interesting you got 41 for both options. Each will need their own kind of offering?

I'm not sure 41 means giving up, by the way. Making a sacrifice or offering, or even making things simpler or reducing involvement, isn't really the same as surrender / giving up.

I also don't think it has to mean getting rid of things, especially if it'd feel like you're throwing things away only because "Yi said so." You probably wouldn't do that, but hexagrams can have many themes or meanings and they won't all apply to every situation.

Staying, 41.1.6 to 7

7 seems like getting things done, being organized. If you stay there are clear goals to achieve, fixing the air conditioner problem for instance.

'Bringing [one's own] business to an end, going swiftly,
Not a mistake.
Considering decreasing it.'

'In no way decreased, increasing it.
Not a mistake.
Constancy, good fortune.
Harvest in having a direction to go.
Gaining a servant, not a dwelling.'

(Quotes from WikiWing)

I was all ready to say this seems encouraging, put your head down, march in lockstep, get it done - maybe that if you stay, your "business" will get done faster than if you have to move again? But then I saw "gaining a servant, not a dwelling/home," and now I'm confused. If you stay, you won't gain a home? But what does it mean to gain a servant?

Any chance it could mean you'll have to do some things just in order to live there temporarily?

Next reading, moving, 41.2.4 to 21.
21 is about getting to grips with things, chewing and gnawing, biting through to the essence.

'Harvest in constancy,
Setting out to bring order: pitfall.
In no way decrease, increasing it.'

'Decreasing your anxiety,
Sending the message swiftly brings rejoicing.
Not a mistake.'

I really don't know, sorry. I'm starting to wonder if there's some fundamental message I'm missing.

The general reading would be a place to look for that... I wonder if Yi's suggesting it's too soon to make these sorts of plans? What if you'd take a step back and ask specifically and directly about the building biologist? You said this inquiry started when you started having cold feet about hiring him. Hilary in her last podcast suggested asking the question that's "top of mind" as she put it.

 

[heavenlytumbleweed]

Yes, both decisions require some kind of sacrifice.
Maybe I should have asked about the building biologist separately. I decided to cancel so I could use those funds on getting proper cleaning equipment which would be the next step after an assessment anyway and my instinct was the issue wasn’t water damage or structural.
The reason I mentioned getting rid of possessions is because it is something I have had to do in the past when I’ve experienced exposures due to cross-contamination and my high sensitivity so as to not re-expose myself.
“Gaining a servant, not a dwelling.” Is interesting as I have been feeling like by staying I am being subservient to the needs of my housemate even though I am suffering. And he likely feels some kind of subservience in attempting to cater to my needs in this situation he didn’t sign up for. We both feel rather trapped.
After cancelling the building biologist I did make swift action in getting a specialised HEPA vacuum to clean the contaminated areas on the floors and walls which brought me some immediate relief. But I am not sure if this will be enough.
But maybe this is something that can help me live there with more ease at least temporarily.
Previously I felt like I was struggling to keep it together for my housemate in order to not stress him out too much but I’ve been a bit more open with my feelings lately and even though resulted in more tension between us it feels better to be more honest rather than performing that everything’s ok.

 

[Liselle]

One question I had (not from the readings) is if you'd move, how would you know the new place wouldn't also have problems? It seems like such luck of the draw. But maybe not, obviously I'm clueless here.

 

[isacosmo]

Hello,
You need to clean up surfaces with water and mild detergent (neutral ph), to air the rooms, get rid of carpets and wash old textiles like curtains. At the same time, ask a professional to look for water leaks or damp stains. Keep airing the ambient and keep the whole thing clean will help you. Buy a dehumidifier, a good one, and a portable fan, and use them seriously.
Clean your AC. They love ac's. Ask a throurough cleaning (machinery and so on).
A HEPA vacuum will help you cleaning the spores, but will not keep the house healthy for long.
A biologist will tell you what kind of mould you have (usually black mould is aspergillus), but they wont help with getting rid of it.

 

[heavenlytumbleweed]

It’s a rental so there’s no way I can get rid of the carpets. To get them cleaned will be another cost and although the major deterrent to leaving is the cost of moving I think it will be more costly to stay. The agent refuses to even pay for the cost of cleaning the air conditioner which is pretty minimal.
The biologist was to see if this would be a recurring or structural issue that would need to be dealt with. Initially I had hoped an assessment would also be able to push the landlord/agent into having to take some kind of action but I now doubt that they would in any situation. It is true it will be a challenge to find another place regardless but I’m willing to live out of the city if I have to or remain transient for a while if it means prioritising my health. I would absolutely be more diligent in assessing the place next time.

I got 46 unchanging for staying and paying for a remediator. Pushing upward I think reflects the dedication that would be required in this path.

37.6 to 63 for leaving

“37.6: Having truth, impressing thus. In the end auspicious.
Follow your own knowledge, timing, experience.”

Following my instinct and past experiences.

63 Completion - In the end good fortune

“One is called by one's relatives so one joins them”

I think this is just telling me to stay true to my instincts/inner experience and truth.

“One is called by one’s relatives so one joins them”

This line for me could relate to listening to the calls of my ancestors, that are communicating through my body via instinct and impressions

Prior to these readings I was still 50/50 perhaps but then I felt I had made a decision about needing to leave and got this for

What do I need to know about leaving?

56.6 to 62

56 the wanderer is pretty clear - this path entails going on a journey, an adjustment, travel or exploration.
But line 6 sounds very inauspicious.

“The nest burns up, at first the wanderer laughs and later weeps = losing the cow in the process leads to misfortune. Changes to (62) Small Exceeding. Through carelessness or selfishness one loses their resting place. In the beginning it may not seem so bad but later one feels remorse and realizes the consequences of their actions. Rather than appreciating what one had and remaining modest like a cow, selfish motives lead to misfortune. There will be plenty of time for regret and repentance.”

 

[heavenlytumbleweed]

Ok I know I am probably doing too many readings but another for getting a cleaner/remediator

59.2.5 to 23
“Dispersing, flee to your support. Regrets vanish”

23, stripping away

What has worn out?

It's no good, at such times, to imagine the future and make plans. You need to bring your energy back to the centre and honour the process: this is a time to be transformed, not to act. Moreover, until the old is so utterly stripped from you that you have no choice but to think in new ways, you will only be able to re-create the old patterns.

this makes me feel as though the issue is perhaps more structural and just cleaning it won’t be enough as the old pattern will return?

 

[Liselle]

I like the reading about the remediator. You're probably right it won't stay remediated forever, but isn't that just the nature of something like this?

The lines are the most focussed part of the answer, not the hexagrams. 23 relating might be how it will seem to you, having more money stripped away, maybe.

The remediator seems like the support in line 2. Line 5 says it's no mistake to disperse your granaries.