26.1.2 to 52 for work related issue

[exnihilo]

"I will give this situation some considration and let you know what comes of it. Insight into anothers questions best come from the heart not the head so it may take me a bit to contact the Oracle."

Thank you. I look foward to your toss! Honestly, I'm very interested in seeing what you get vs what I received.

 

[white_dog]

?no one knows the missing ingredient. The truth?

Jerry, whenever someone here says something like that, I ask myself : then why does anyone bother coming here? If no-one here can find truth in Yi?s answers, and we?re all just scrambling for pennies on the floor of a dark room, what is the point of even attempting to turn on the light? We might just as well use our favorite translation as kindling wood, and flush decades of personal experience with Yi down the toilet.

If you mean ?The Truth? as always being some sort of neat, little, indisputable package, then I agree with you; although sometimes Yi?s answer really is just that simple and obvious.

I tend to view most of Yi?s answers as simple and obvious, and I see so much pulling, twisting and over analyzing going on, it?s no wonder someone relatively new to Yi would conclude: there is no understandable Truth to Yi?s answer.

 

[jerryd]

Well here we go, I only wish i were wise enough to keep my remarks to my self sometimes White_Dog. It seems anytime i speak of finding a "truth" someone thinks it is unfair to question the validity of IC answers. I have a right and duty to seek answers and if I have a doubt about answers I recieve it is ok. If I must explain what a Truth is, there is no need for me to seek it. Truth has a variable rate of acceptance as per agreement between understanding and like minded individuals. This is an at best interpertation of what I mean when I say missing Truth.

 

[white_dog]

Jerry, this is Bruce, aka Candid. lol, and I do know what you mean about keeping thoughts to your (or my) self.

I don't see finding truth in the Yi or its answers as the problem, but expressing them can sometimes be. What I do have a problem with (and it's certainly not with you or anyone in particular) is when the obvious is passed by, and contortions of variable meanings become so muddled - usually because truth is not what the questioner wants to hear - that the entire process becomes meaningless and without power. Hence the ting?s broken leg and spilled content metaphor.

 

[jerryd]

Grinns, Bruce; (aka) all the above, I agree with your now clear comment, "expressing the truth is the problem" and "Contortion of variable meanings, becomming muddeled" also I have long believed that..(rejection of truth) is mostly due to it not being..what you said..." the questioner was not told what they wished to hear,"...and i try to not take offence at explaining what seems should be obvious, but like what is truth and what is obvious are sometimes one and the same...LOL...My answers to Exihilo's request are to follow rightly soon.

And a PS: to Candid and Bruce...your music is blessed with talent.

 

[jerryd]

EXNIHILO: My initial question to the YI is this; What contrabution can (A) make to your project. Receving Hex 54/.3> to 34........

Coveting Madenhood/ Gui Mei
54.1 Coveting dicipline significant
54.2 Seeing with one eye closed, close observation improved, motive in question!
54.3 Reversing a perspective, hold back, moveing in opposite direction!
54.4 Covetousness, procrastination, causes transgretion.
54.5 Early spring is the rank of (A) in his, her present position.
54.6 Guift or command from superior, an offer from a learned one or mentor or spiritual leader!

Moveing to 34 Line 0.3 only/

34.3 Reveals to me that a small contrabution to your project by A would make a large difference! But to beat ones head against a wall worring about it is frutless, as a set boundry has been established, moving in harmony with lifes roadblocks may prove best.

It appears (A) is accepting direction from his,her present employer (X) either because of inticements or contractual limitations signed on to when accepting the position he,she has now with (X)!

The second Question is this;

Why does (X) not wish (A) to participate in your project.

Reciving Hex 4/0.6 > to 7.0

Envelopeing/ Meng
4.1 Harvesting,shackled,fettered, enveloped
4.2 Encopassing, envelopeing significantly,- wife son, controling house.
4.3 No avaling, womanhood-gold husband (A)?
4.4 Confineing envelope- solitude
4.5 Youthful envolvement, root needs of (A) or (X) needs (A).
4.6 (X) sees attack on employee from the outside!

4.6> to 7

7.6> { the great chief possesses fate} of A and Of your project?

From the outside looking in on this reading, I question I have enough information to offer any suggestions as to its meaning for you.
If I may venture a quess and for what it might be worth, there seems to be more to your need to have this person help you with your project than meets my eye! I feel as if (A) holds a larger signifiance for you than just helping you move this from plan to completion, an emotional bond?

As For (A) seeming unwillingness to co-operate, it seems (A)'s position is secure and is what they want just now. It may be due to contractual obligations which disallow participation or it may be lack of motive!

Hope this is of some help. Respects/

I am open to any criticism anyone wishes to make on this interpertation.

 

[white_dog]

Thanks, Jerry, kind of you to say.

 

[exnihilo]

Jerry,

Unbelievable reading that confirms once again my suspicions. Thank you.

"It appears (A) is accepting direction from his,her present employer (X) either because of inticements or contractual limitations signed on to when accepting the position he,she has now with (X)!"

WOW. You got exactly the same thing I got. What you wrote is what I have been thinking all along. He signed something that is stopping him from doing what I'm interested in. He can't do both.

"I feel as if (A) holds a larger signifiance for you than just helping you move this from plan to completion, an emotional bond?"

Jerry, I'm more than impressed. There is indeed a strong emotional bond between myself and A. This is why I have been agonizing over the issue. I feel that I've put A in a VERY precarious position and he's too kind to point that out to me. It's so bad that I often wake up in the middle of the night worrying about it.

"As For (A) seeming unwillingness to co-operate"

Do you see that A is being a bit rebellious toward Company X from 4.6? I just looked at Bradford Hatcher's translation and saw "smiting the halfwit". One doesn't smite a halfwit unless he's acting the halfwit. Do you think Company X views him as a problem? It seems that way to me. When I asked how this was affecting his career I got 29.1 to 60. (This was several weeks ago.)

Just a couple of weeks ago I think I got 4.1.3 to 26 when I asked what was going on between A and Company X. Seems to be exactly what you got here. I think I'm the "woman" in line 3 and the "halfwit" is my friend. I think Company X thinks we're mad! I want to laugh but it's really not very funny.

 

[exnihilo]

Jerry,

I just read what you wrong about 4.6 again. You said,

"4.6 (X) sees attack on employee from the outside!"

Am I to understand that you believe Company X thinks I'M attacking A?

 

[jerryd]

No It may see your attempt to profer this person as an attack on their (X) property if they suspect this is happening and feel vulnurable because of it? May cause waves for (A)?

 

[jerryd]

P.S. Thanks for the vote of confidence Exnihilo, perhaps i should tell you the reading did not come without some dificulty, the coins seemed to slip trying to find a way to fall through my hands as though they did not wish to co-operate.....(;>(

 

[exnihilo]

Jerry,

It looks as if they did finally cooperate though

I guess that seals it too. I've received my answer many times over now. I guess I was the goat.

"No It may see your attempt to profer this person as an attack on their (X) property if they suspect this is happening and feel vulnurable because of it? May cause waves for (A)?"

You agree with my interpretation then that they are viewing A with some suspicion because of this? I'm referring to that part about smiting the halfwit.

 

[jerryd]

Well here is the catch..( I )"we"? are presumeing that (X) is aware of your attempt to have (A) join you in a colaberation. I am also makeing a guess (A) may have consulted (X) about helping you? If so you may be the one in jeopardy and not (A)? There are to many maybe's here for me to go much farther with infiltating the (X) company my self...smiles...it may be why the coins were like quick silver.

 

[exnihilo]

Jerry,

I can guarantee you that X knows I proposed something to Y. I already heard about that. However, I understand what you're saying about "infiltrating" X. I think I have enough information anyway and I thank you for your assistance. BUT, your comment about me maybe being the one in jeopardy caught my eye so I asked,

"What risk does Company X pose for me?"

25, unchanging

I read that as "no risk" provided I remain "unentangled".

Again, thank you for helping me verify the situation.

 

[exnihilo]

"I tend to view most of Yi?s answers as simple and obvious, and I see so much pulling, twisting and over analyzing going on, it?s no wonder someone relatively new to Yi would conclude: there is no understandable Truth to Yi?s answer."

Hello White Dog,

Most of the time I myself find the Yi's answers fairly obvious. However, in this case, after discussing the issue with Void, I felt that perhaps I was too emotionally wrapped up in the issue and that this may have actually been affecting the throw of the coins and my interpretation of those throws. There have been times when I felt that I was throwing merely what I wanted to see. It's interesting that Jerry received basically the same answer I did. My confidence is thus restored a bit.

Ex

 

[white_dog]

Hi Ex,

My 'truth' comment was directed to Jerry. Funny though, even those who have a pretty good grip on the Yi can get our horns stuck in the hedges when our passion for something comes into play. That's not so much a matter of reading what we want to see, but not seeing what Yi has said. And that?s why I will always return to the original question and answer. A day or two later it can seem so much clearer.

dog

 

[peace]

Hi Ex...

Someone explained it to me this way when I was talking about the great insights I would get through journaling....

Where is the adult supervision?

Meaning - sometimes we spin around in our heads creating great theories and possibilities and there isn't someone around to say..."What, are you nuts???"

I find it especially challenging to understand the readings when I see a few options and I'm ambivalent.

Rosalie

 

[white_dog]

lol! love that! What are you nuts?

The belly never gets full by looking at food.

 

[exnihilo]

Here I was wondering about 4.6 and I just got it again. This time, I know what it means:

I live in a city with a lot of strays running around. I probably feed about 5-10 cats on a daily basis. A few days ago I came home and saw one of the young females "running" toward me screaming and dragging her back legs. Spinal injury. I knew that she had been hit by a car. There are virtually no animal welfare organizations around here and I couldn't find a vet who was open. Therefore, I have had this poor cat in a carrying cage for 2 days. I've been giving her food and water and she has been very quiet. She obviously knows that she's badly injured. Well, today the Vet is open and I'm planning on taking here there very soon. I'm assuming that he will have to euthanize her. I looked at her, started crying and then asked,

"What do I need to know about this cat's injuries?"

4.1.6

What could be clearer?

4.1 - Shouldn't have been running around the streets.

4.6 - She was hit by a car. ("Smiting the halfwit")

I feel awful.

 

[white_dog]

Ex, I'm sorry, man.

 

[void]

Me too. Let us know what happens.

 

[exnihilo]

The cat wasn't euthanized! The vet said that he was hopeful about a recovery. She still isn't using her back legs though. I've fixed a place for her on my balcony and right now she's eating a nice piece of baked fish

 

[void]

Excellent news !

Well the change of 4 to 19 had me hoping a little - good vet approached cat.

 

[rosada]

Hurray for the cat! And what a perfect example of what we've been talking about here as far as not being able to see what the I Ching is saying when our own hopes and fears are involved. I mean, now in hindsight it seems to me 4.6 clearly states that the accident was only a wake up call, and would not be fatal. (Of course having said that, I think of that lame joke, "Death is just nature's way of telling you to slow down...")
BTW, what is the warning in 19 all about? Can anyone give a true life example?

 

[exnihilo]

Cat update:

The cat is doing better and is now starting to put a slight amount of weight on her back legs. She's also eating like a horse!

 

[peace]

She must feel good with you!

I believe 19 is Approach (with caution). Not caution like watch every step, but consciously cautious. It's also about leadership and approach with greatness - and knowing what you're doing in the right way.

 

[peace]

She must feel good with you!

I believe 19 is Approach (with caution). Not caution like watch every step, but consciously cautious. It's also about leadership and approach with greatness - and knowing what you're doing in a correct way.

 

[exnihilo]

Would anyone like to comment on this?

"What will it take for Company X to change its position on this issue?"

57.1.6 to 5

I don't know what to make of the fact that the two outside lines are the lines that are moving. Is there any significance in that?

Line 1 is about indecisiveness and line 6 is about thinking too much.

My own interpretation goes something like this (VERY general):

Company X needs to let the whole thing sink in for a period of time (hex 5).

I feel that this reading indicates that Company X isn't completely against the idea. They have reservations yes...but they can be persuaded to change their mind.

 

[exnihilo]

How about this one?

"How can I cope with this?"

53.2.5.6 to 46

Not sure how to understand this one. Am I supposed to cope by knowing that it's a long, gradual process that's pushing upward? The judgement on 53 says "worth the persistance". It sounds positive at any rate.