3.4 >12 future relationship

[paradise1]

He'll everyone,

I would like someone to help clarify the reading I received. The initial hex is 3 changing line 4 and transformed hex 12.

My question was trying to determine the out come of changing event's of future relations with a woman I was with for 4 years.

We recently separated and while the current relationship is chilly at best I want to understand if I should persu this or cut my ties totally and move on?

Thanks for your help

Paradise1

 

[equinox]

From a first glance I would say: If you still like this woman, it's likely that she will take you back.

But we don't have any background info. Can you tell a bit more please? For example, what do you want from her still, how do you interpret your own result...

 

[rosada]

3.4 doesn't change to 12.

 

[moss elk]

If it started with 3 and ends with 12.
it is 3.1.4.6 (12).

If it is 3.4 the related is (17).

If it ends with 12 and has only a line 4 change, it is 20.4 (12)

 

[paradise1]

Response to 3.4>12

If it started with 3 and ends with 12.
it is 3.1.4.6 (12).

If it is 3.4 the related is (17).

If it ends with 12 and has only a line 4 change, it is 20.4 (12)

3.6 which you added seems brutal for a woman...is there something I didn't know?

 

[paradise1]

Black milk, you asked of additional info, please read my previous post on 10/7.

Tjanks
Paradise

 

[equinox]

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[equinox]

You still didn't clearly say which result you excactly had.
(My first glance interpretation was based on 3.4 btw)
And your previous post still doesn't tell how you interpret this actual post here.
It's better to provide clear information because otherwise you run the risk, that people lose the interest to help you, because it's an effort to search for previous posts and let us guess about the lines you may have received.
Good luck anyway

 

[rosada]

Where is this relationship heading (and should I pursue it or move on)?

Hexagram 3.1.4.6 - hexagram 12

It appears your relationship is now at a 12.Standstill created by 3. Difficulty at The Beginning.

3.1 The line refers to confusion at the beginning and the importance of having "helpers". Perhaps this line refers to there not being a clear definition to what your relationship with the mother was all about. You were together for four years but were not married so this probably confused the relationship with the child. With no clarity, the child probably didn't feel a need to respect your relationship with the mother and thus did not become your "helper." Indeed, it appears she is now the cause for the break-up.

3.4 This lines emphasizes the importance of a continuing dialog where people really listen to each other and respond to each other's needs. You may think you do that already but getting this line suggests this is an area you need to work on.

3.6 Because that dialog is not happening, the confusion at the beginning is not resolved.

Although I usually resist trying to interpret "Yes-or-No" questions because every hexagram can be read either way, in this case I think it's pretty clear that as it stands, there is no future for your relationship.

Of course, sometimes the I Ching will give a particularly harsh and negative picture of a situation but if we are able to accept it, we can then see how we might change the behavior that created the situation, and then it is sometimes possible to change the outcome. So maybe look very closely at what you asked - and how - there may be a clue to how you can turn this around:

They say how we do anything is how we do everything. Look at the way you posted your question - very confused - and your responses to requests for clarification - not helpful - and your suggestion that those who were trying to assist you look up your previous posts. If this posting was an example of how you tackled problems in the relationship in general and with the daughter in particular, I can see why the I Ching would say the partnership is at a dead end. Perhaps if you reflect back and consider how you may have treated your friend in a similar fashion to your post here - confused requests, poor feedback, expecting others to do more than their share - you may be able to recognize what you need to change to revive the relationship.

If not then I think you should indeed cut your ties totally and move on.

 

[paradise1]

Black milk,

Sorry I did not reply earlier with additional info that you requested, I was not on my computer and had a technical problem with my cell. I have copied my earlier post below for your review and observation.

Thanks for your help.

Paradise

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Default Hex 28 with lines3,4,5 and concluding to 7
Hello everyone,

I think I understand the received reading but, it seems so direct to my question that I would like someone's input please.

I asked if the woman who I just broke with is seeing someone else. The reading I received was 28 with changing lines 3,4,5 and concluding with 7 the army.

Historically my situation ended with her telling me that since I didn't get along with her 16 year old daughter that we should not live together.

The daughter is a wild child, sex drugs and rock &roll.

So while I felt the premise had some validity, I also felt there was more to the story. There are a lot more details to this i.e. I traveled for 2 months and 2 days after I returned home she asked me to leave...so not being around her child for 2 months I thought was interesting conclusion.

My interpretation of the reading is, the stress of the relationship caused the pole to bend and ultimately not support the environment. The changing line 5, tells me she is involved with a younger man hence, is why she is not contacting me and trying to work things out.

Concluding with hex 7 the army tells me this is a battle that I can not win or it's not worth fighting..

Can someone more experienced than I convey your thoughts?

 

[paradise1]

future relationship follow up

Black milk,

Sorry I did not reply earlier with additional info that you requested, I was not on my computer and had a technical problem with my cell. I have copied my earlier post below for your review and observation.

Thanks for your help.

Paradise

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Default Hex 28 with lines3,4,5 and concluding to 7
Hello everyone,

I think I understand the received reading but, it seems so direct to my question that I would like someone's input please.

I asked if the woman who I just broke with is seeing someone else. The reading I received was 28 with changing lines 3,4,5 and concluding with 7 the army.

Historically my situation ended with her telling me that since I didn't get along with her 16 year old daughter that we should not live together.

The daughter is a wild child, sex drugs and rock &roll.

So while I felt the premise had some validity, I also felt there was more to the story. There are a lot more details to this i.e. I traveled for 2 months and 2 days after I returned home she asked me to leave...so not being around her child for 2 months I thought was interesting conclusion.

My interpretation of the reading is, the stress of the relationship caused the pole to bend and ultimately not support the environment. The changing line 5, tells me she is involved with a younger man hence, is why she is not contacting me and trying to work things out.

Concluding with hex 7 the army tells me this is a battle that I can not win or it's not worth fighting..

Can someone more experienced than I convey your thoughts?

 

[Thinkclear]

If you want help, please answer what has been asked 3 times: what is the correct hexagram with its changing lines?

 

[equinox]

Black milk,

Sorry I did not reply earlier with additional info that you requested, I was not on my computer and had a technical problem with my cell. I have copied my earlier post below for your review and observation. Thanks for your help.

Absolutely no problem and you are welcome! I just said that in order that you get better help here... I don't know if I am that experienced to give you a good advice, since I find it particulary difficult to interpret readings that aim for reading the minds/ looking on the lifes of third parties.
But, okay, let's try: 28.3.4.5 <7:

My interpretation of the reading is, the stress of the relationship caused the pole to bend and ultimately not support the environment.

I would agree here.

The changing line 5, tells me she is involved with a younger man hence, is why she is not contacting me and trying to work things out.

I am not sure. If you take it very literal, yes, then probably she is involved with a younger man. But it could also just be the metaphor for a fruitless relationship. The I-Ching is a source of knowledge that heavily relies on patriarchal metaphors and parables. And in classical patriarchy the relationship of an older woman to a younger man is regarded as a pointless thing while the alliance of a older man and a younger woman is considered normal and even desirable.

So, I see three possibilities:
a) If you take the reading literal, then she may have started a relationship with a younger guy.
b) If you take it metaphorical and apply it on her and someone else, then she has begun a rather fruitless relationship with this somebody.
c) If the oracle is talking about you and her, then it stresses the inefficacy of the relationship between you two.

I can't know which of the possible meanings hits the nail. Considering that the other lines are not so great and the fact you do not even believe in your relationship anymore -- you interpret the relating 7 in its most hopeless meaning -- but still obviously would like to re-establish it, if I am right... it could really be c). But I can't know. (Of course, the possibility that she has someone else now is still not excluded if I go for c). Can't you ask her about this?)
And one thing to remember: even if your result is rather negative, it's still not said that your relationship will stay bad forever, as rosada also suggests in her last posting.
Maybe we can shed more light on the issue if you tell us the correct lines of your second result hexagram 3.

 

[moss elk]

Black milk,
Concluding with hex 7 the army tells me this is a battle that I can not win or it's not worth fighting.

You gave a great description of hexagram 6, not 7.
Someone gathers a group in 7.

28-7: maybe she does have too many volunteer firemen.

 

[equinox]

You gave a great description of hexagram 6, not 7.
Someone gathers a group in 7.

But in hex 7 they gather in order to go in a battle, right? That's the purpose of an army.

 

[Trojina]

I know Bradford often says the notion of 7 as fighting is erroneous. He says it should be understoond more as a 'standing army', something in readiness, it is not about fighting. I think that's what he says anyway.

BTW congratulations to those who deciphered what casts these actually were. I'm totally lost with the 3.4 one

 

[moss elk]

But in hex 7 they gather in order to go in a battle, right? That's the purpose of an army.

It's a gathered militia, not a standing army.
There is a leader. and discipline, and gathering people to the group. They may gather for battle, to distribute food, or pile sandbags against a flooding river.
War or conflict though, is not inherent or inevitable, like in 6.

Hilary's hexagram 7 :
Noble one accepts the ordinary people to gather together crowds.

I can see the logical connection between 'Army' and conflict,
but it is a an idea I would encourage you to discard in relation to hexagram 7 .

 

[equinox]

Yes, maybe that's also a valid perspective - that the main purpose of an army should be not to make use of it at the end. Similar to this philosophy of the art of drawing the sword, Iaido.

 

[moss elk]

Crossed posts with Trojina.

Here is an example of mine where 7 wasn't about conflict.

What is this thing I should do to find a partner?
Answer: 7.1.2.6 (27)
Go out on a dinner or lunch date.
Simple, simple.
(Why do we/m.e. make big deals out of these things?)

7: the leader (m.e.) gathers others around him.

line 1: Rules!
Pick you up at 7pm.
not too much touching .. etc

line 2: M.e. is in the middle of it.

line 6: Great helpers are given titles
(like girlfriend or wife.)
lesser people get a free lunch and no more.

27: Provides Nourishment.

Ah, my life laid bare.
May it entertain you.
:bows:

 

[rosada]

I see 7. The Army as being about the girlfriend's desire to get organized - to get all of her various activities and resources in alignment.
Thus 28 > 7 it seems to be saying that to meet her goal to get her life in order and particularly to have her daughter on board, the friend let the old order that included you 28. Collapse.

28.5 doesn't have to refer to a younger man, it could represent bonding with the daughter or even choosing to make a fresh start.