33.2.3.6 > 47

[precision grace]

'What is the nature of this connection?' is what I asked and got 33.2.3.6 changing to 47

I am a bit confused about this reading which is why I'm posting it here for help. If I was reading this for someone else, I'd probably say that the connection is currently an enforced distancing due to some oppressive factors within but the lines are confusing me and I'd be grateful for some help because I cannot read this without heavy bias.

It's not clear to me from the reading whether the connection was 'never meant to be' or 'wants to be despite of all efforts to the contrary'. Or something else.

Anyway, if you could throw in your 2 cents, I'd really appreciate it.
:bows:

PS. It feels to me as if the lines of 33 are all trying to scrabble away but are either oppressed from doing or lead to oppression. Am I reading this at all right?

 

[Lavalamp]

'What is the nature of this connection?'

33.2
Although one has purposed to withdraw from a situation, the other presses on after him. But retreat will be accomplished eventually.

33.3
When others do not wish to let you go, "drawing them into one's service" is a practical thing to do. You can't accomplish much with such a relationship, but remaining on friendly terms with others brings good fortune.

33.6
Withdrawing in a self confident. noble, cheerful way is beneficial.

>47
The strength to face danger with cheerfulness builds inner stability and future success. Inferior people cannot do this, only great people can bring about good fortune and remain free from blame in this way.

Hmmm.

 

[precision grace]

Hmmm is exactly right. To clarify, I had also asked 'What is my role in this connection' and got 41.1.6 > 7

If this connection serves to help me finally find a way to exit the loop, I shall be so happy. If that is, in fact, what the hexagrams are saying..

 

[Lavalamp]

'What is my role in this connection?"

41.1
After you have taken care of your own work, helping others is an unselfish and good thing to do, and frees us from blame. But you have to be careful not to do too much for other people, as it's their own responsibility and you could damage them by taking on too much. (We're meant to learn and grow through our own burdens and mistakes.)

41.6
Living a public life in service of humanity may seem to lack a certain privacy, but living for the sake of others serves one's individual purpose as well, in the greatest of ways.

> 7
Leadership in doing this work is needed, requiring real inner strength in dangerous times. But Leadership with real generosity towards others will increase the numbers involved. And with the love of such Allies the challenges faced can be surmounted, and we can fight the "War" victoriously.

 

[pocossin]

What is the nature of this connection?
33.2.3.6 > 47

It's a time of retreat from connection. Keep the other at a distance with reserve.

2. One party won't let go.
3. A half retreat is nerve-wracking. Seeking help to clarifying the situation is advantageous.
6. A friendly retreat, so observe proprieties and stay on good terms.

Leading to Exhaustion. Nothing can be said that will make any difference. Bradford: The noble young one, accordingly, invokes a higher purpose to carry out intentions.

 

[precision grace]

um. I have actually looked up the lines you know. I was hoping for some free-style interpretations?

 

[pocossin]

um. I have actually looked up the lines you know. I was hoping for some free-style interpretations?

Ok, a free style reading: Connection sounds so electrical. But since Retreat, there's a short somewhere, and if that's not fixed, the batteries are going dead, like Exhaustion.

 

[dancing white ferret]

Yes, I have to agree with the Pocossin. When I first read this, I took it to mean an opressive connection. Is this connection an energy drain? Are you dealing with someone who is just sapping you? Or boxing you in? Well, whatever it is, also sounds to me like the IC is suggesting you make a break for it, in the nicest way possible, of course.

This would be a red flag to me. I certainly wouldn't want to get intimately involved with this person. The feeling I get from this is this person may be an energy parasite or a cling on of some sorts. The give is almost always one sided and can become, well, oppressive. Could even be a very negative person. Usually, these connections from my experience, are harmless, but can be draining. Others, well... some people are just like black holes for light energy, and can be damaging. They are extremely negative, and can literally suck a person dry! I couldn't say for sure what is going on here, but the Yi has made it clear that it would be in your friends best interests to stay on good terms with this person. Might mean, you don't want to get on this one's bad side. That would just perpetuate this connection. Make a clean break is what I'm hearing.

What do you mean by free style interpretation? Was this "free style"? This is just what this casting brought to mind from my own experience. Hope this helps you.

Am still looking at other reading. Nothing on that on really jumped out at me straight off.

 

[precision grace]

yes, that's the free style I was thinking of

What throws me is the 33.2 line. How can you make a clean break when "he holds him fast with yellow oxhide. No one can tear him loose."? and then the whole thing leading to Exhaustion. I'd have been happy with 33.3 alone or 33.6 alone which resulting in either 12 or 31 would be a clear signal of clean break to me, however this combination seems to be saying, your attempts at retreat are leading to exhaustion. Now, I don't want it to be saying that, which is why I am seeking advice, so if you are in agreement that this is definitely saying, you are going to retreat Away from the oppression/exhaustion of this connection than that's great. Are you all in agreement?

 

[Trojina]

yes, that's the free style I was thinking of

What throws me is the 33.2 line. How can you make a clean break when "he holds him fast with yellow oxhide. No one can tear him loose."? and then the whole thing leading to Exhaustion. I'd have been happy with 33.3 alone or 33.6 alone which resulting in either 12 or 31 would be a clear signal of clean break to me, however this combination seems to be saying, your attempts at retreat are leading to exhaustion. Now, I don't want it to be saying that, which is why I am seeking advice, so if you are in agreement that this is definitely saying, you are going to retreat Away from the oppression/exhaustion of this connection than that's great. Are you all in agreement?

47 is not the thing led to, its the background...retreating from feeling oppressed and boxed in. Retreat doesn't lead to exhaustion...exhaustion is more likley to lead to retreat


33.2 is indeed a puzzle. I think it may be one retreats but part of ones heart remains attached...perhaps one keep hold of the best bits

 

[pocossin]

yes, that's the free style I was thinking of

What throws me is the 33.2 line. How can you make a clean break when "he holds him fast with yellow oxhide. No one can tear him loose."?

Bradford in his commentary sees 'tying it up with yellow rawhide' as gathering and protecting those things you don't want to lose on the retreat.

 

[precision grace]

so, in the context of the actual question "what is the nature of this connection" is that there is something (33.2) that one of the parties retreating from the oppressive nature of this connection cannot bear to part with, and because of that, a part-connection (33.3) has to be maintained until such time we are free to engage in free and cheerful retreat of 33.6?

 

[dancing white ferret]

33.2 could relate to the clean part of the break. Maybe secure good terms with this person? Just a thought. I just had this same line come up about my roommate's cat, who we had to confine for her own safety. I thought it might just be reflecting the restrictive connection there, but I like the Bradford interpretation Pocossin mentioned as well. Hmmm... The post is still on the first page of the shared readings page. Maybe something there will help too. This line has been driving me bonkers!

 

[Lavalamp]

Well in the commentaries on 33.2, what is actually being held fast to is the purpose of someone to retreat from the situation. The other person is also pressing in after one, but one has firmly resolved already to retreat, and cannot be dissuaded from this decision.

"2. The second SIX, divided, shows its subject holding (his purpose) fast as if by a (thong made from the) hide of a yellow ox, which cannot be broken."

"'His purpose' in line 2 is the purpose to withdraw. The weak 2 responds correctly to the strong 5, and both are central. The purpose therefore is symbolled as in the text. The 'yellow' colour of the ox is introduced because of its being 'correct,' and of a piece with the central place of the line."

The strong line in the 5th place is one who can withdraw in all friendliness from a situation, without being disagreeable. So this sounds likes someone has met another that one prefers over the other, and so has decided the right thing to do is withdraw, in the nicest way possible.

 

[precision grace]

thanks lavalamp, I didn't realise the 33.2 referred to the intent of withdrawal.

dwf hope your roommate's cat gets better soon. I know how awful it is to have a cat with a funnel - the hate it so much. poor puddycat

I'd also asked what do I need to do about this connection and got 51 unchanging. Which is sort of weird. But I take it to mean to find my Zen regardless of the repeated shocks, so like, full on retreat in a way

 

[pocossin]

a part-connection (33.3) has to be maintained until such time we are free to engage in free and cheerful retreat of 33.6?

For line 3 Bradford has 'entangled retreat'. The line may refer to a situation where one must abandon things to make the retreat or else be held up by baggage. Wilhelm's 'a halted retreat' suggests that the retreat is stopped before one is out of danger. In either case, the retreat is not well executed.

 

[dancing white ferret]

I think she is on the mend. She is actually handling the lamp shade as well as a cat possibly could. Adapted it to it quite well! But, not the cage. My roommate let her out and decided to just keep her confined to his bedroom. And she has been doing better with that. It's never a dull moment with pets!

51 unchanging. Is sort of weird. Zen calmness would have been my first thought as well.

 

[dancing white ferret]

51 minght mean make a clean break, like ripping off a band aid. Kind of a shock, but less painful than a slow clumsy removal. LiSe associates 51 as the herald to a new beginning.

 

[Lavalamp]

Well "what do I need to do in this situation" is kind of an ambiguous question.

One can always accomplish the purpose to retreat with shocking behavior. However.

When you ask for advice the Yi has a lot of advice always, like 51 put your life in order, keeping an inner spiritual attitude of reverence can insulate one from fear, check your heart (lest you be setting your will against the will of God.)

I suppose in 33 Retreat it is possible the strong 5's influence which has made the 2 decide retreat is the right thing to do, could be something different than a love rival, could be a Spiritual teacher, a path to higher development with which the other would oppose. It could also be one has decided to retreat as the right path because their astrologer told them you are not compatible, and they are of a fixed mind about this. But the Yi isn't commenting on the actual decision made as much as about there being superior and inferior ways of doing things.