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Luis, the word milfoil is new to me. Does that make me too much of a novice to appreciate your article? :bag: Or is it OK to ask... what's a milfoil?
Hola Luis;
Thanks for posting your excellent article.I found it very concise and informative of a subject not fully available to all.My only comment would be that the tittle might imply there is a new milfoil method when in fact you are talking about a reinterpretation of the same procedure.It is only at the end one divides the remaining stalks in groups of four obtaining the ritual numbers 6-7-8-9.A major issue would be the changing line approach-extremely interesting one I might add.Thanks again and keep them coming-I know you have a lot more to tell us.We'll be waiting.....
Sergio
The yarrow-stalk method Luis describes is a well-known procedure known as the “Nanjing rules”.
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Let’s put it this way: if “Nanjing Rules” was the name of a race horse, I wouldn’t bet any money on it to win. That’s your hot tip for today.
Lindsay
You know, Luis, Zhu Xi has a lot of street cred in China. I don't know why everybody puts him down here.
I can only find 12 actual Yi readings in the Legge translation. The others look like Yi quotations?Among other interesting things, the Zuozhuan contains 19 stories about actual Yi readings.
The 12 actual Yi readings were done by professional diviners, but those actually using the yarrowstalks to create the hexagrams were mostly not-diviners asking for professional readings.All readings are done by professional diviners using yarrow stalks.
I think that the mystery is: how did the not-diviners get their results? The method used must have been far more simple than the “Nanjing rules” shown in this thread.So there is a mystery: how did the ancient diviners get their results?
Also, while I’m in mea culpa mode, I think the historicity of the Zuozhuan is currently regarded more favorably than I implied. Recent work I have seen seems to indicate much confirmation for certain historical details in the Zuozhuan’s accounts. No doubt skepticism and negativity are completely unwarranted here as elsewhere in our studies of the Yi.
That's a great article I recommend to all. Here is a quotation:Kidder Smith did a thorough job analyzing the Zhouyi material in “Zhouyi Interpretation from Accounts in the Zuozhuan,” Harvard Journal of Asiatic Studies, 49, 2 (December 1989), pp. 421-463. I won’t attempt to summarize his conclusions – I might make some trivial mistake like the ones that bothered you so much above. Read it yourself. It's worth it.
hi lindsayThe question still remains, how did they get their results? No known method can duplicate them. The “Nanjing Rules” tried to answer that question. That was the main point, wasn't it?
hi Lindsay ... You are basically rightI got my information about the Zuozhuan from Richard Rutt’s book on the Zhouyi.
I think Rutt is basically accurate
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