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I Watcched The Same Show And I Need Help With The Coins Can You Hep Me?
I Watcched The Same Show And I Need Help With The Coins Can You Hep Me?
Kittikatt
Hi!
I am a new member here, and I just found out about the I Ching from TV when I was watching the History Channel and became very interested in I Ching. I searched online, and found different methods. Besides the 3 coins methods I liked the Calendric method. The only problem is, none of the websites I visited actually explain how to do it. The only thing I got from it is this (for ex): 13th April 2008 10:10pm (or 20:10 in the 24hr clock?)
Now I have no idea how to make a number out of it ! what do I do?? how do I calculate? And do I use a 24hour clock or 12hour clock for this?
hey luis, that doesn't look any trigram sequence i've ever seen...What Jesed uses is different and is post-fact. Very interesting technique, indeed.
Now, Getojack had the correct idea about pointing to the Plum Blossom method, which is very simple, once you do it a couple of times by hand. In it, numbers from 1 to 8 are assigned to each trigram, thusly (for visualization purposes, leftmost number is bottom of trigram):
111 = 1
010 = 2
001 = 3
100 = 4
011 = 5
101 = 6
000 = 7
110 = 8
hey luis, that doesn't look any trigram sequence i've ever seen...
heaven, water, mountain, thunder, wind, fire, earth, lake?
shouldn't thunder be number 1 in the sequence, if it's the later heaven sequence?
yes, i understand that it's the later heaven bagua sequence, but the sequence starts with thunder in the east.
Yes, I understand what the Shuo Gua calls for, however, for this particular purpose, Shao Yong decided to start the sequence with Heaven and follow from there...
[/INDENT]1st, you take a date and time (i.e. 'now' April 14, 2008 11:30 [-5]) and add the numbers of the date:
4 + 14 + 2008 = 2026
2nd, you divide this number by 8 and note the remainder:
2026 / 8 = 253, remainder 23rd, to that number (2026) you add the time, in whole numbers for both hours and minutes:
This remainder gives us the UPPER TRIGRAM, in this case Kan
2026 + 11 + 30 = 20674th, this number (2067) you divide by 8 again and note the remainder:
2067 / 8 = 258, remainder 6Thus, the obtained hexagram is 63
This remainder gives us the LOWER TRIGRAM, in this case LI
5th, To obtain a moving line, you divide the last number (2067) by 6 and note the remainder:
2067 / 6 = 344, remainder 3Thus, the obtained hexagram for April 14, 2008, 11:30AM (in my place) is 63.3
This remainder gives us a changing line in the THIRD PLACE.
You are welcome. Perhaps you missed part of my reply. I used binary to depict the trigrams... 1 are Yang and 0 are Yin. Leftmost digit is bottom line. Thus, 111 is Qian, 011 is Xun, 010 is Kan, etc...
111 is Qian
011 is Xun
010 is Kan
001 is Gen
000 is Kun
100 is Zhen
101 is Li
110 is Dui
Well, you either need a time machine to go back to the 11th century and ask good Shao Yong about it, or approximate a time... I would love to have the first option but I'm afraid I'll have to settle for the latter...
Example: Atomic Bomb over Hiroshima = August 6th 1945 at 8:15
6+8+1945 = 1959
1959/8 = 244 remainder 8
1959+8+15 = 1982
1982/8 = 247 remainder 7
You've got the remainders wrong... That's why I say it is a good idea to do the calculations by hand...
Correct remainder is 7 and thus the upper trigram is Kun
Correct remainder is 6 and thus the lower trigram is Li.
That indeed gives you 36...
I used a calculator, shouldn't that be correct too? I am trying by hand, but I am still getting a different remainder.
And on this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigram the Trigrams are in a different order.. I am so confused now.
I'm sure a Scientific/Engineering calculator can give you a remainder. You have one of those? Are you taking the first number after the decimal period as your remainder? I'm starting to question your math abilities...
As I told our friend, Getojack, never mind other sequences. This sequence is based on the King Wen Later Heaven Bagua and starts counting with Qian and goes clockwise from there. Why Shao Yong decided this was the correct way to do it is a matter of further discussion and investigation.
How do you differentiate AM/PM? Do you use the 24 hour clock?
As far as I know, it goes in 12 hour cycles. So you start counting from 1 after midnight or noon.
Please excuse my South American way of writing my divisions but it is the way I learned them in 4th grade...
Ohh okay, thanks
And I just found a Scientific Calculator (TI-30Xa) and when I do 1959/8 I get = 244.875 so how the heck am I not getting a remainder of 7??? I am using an actual calculator now ... grrrrrrr
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