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I have come to realize 11 as being anything but peaceful in the traditional sense. I have receive it when things are full. Full in the sense that there are many (or opposite) energies playing with each other. They are interacting. Obviously you guys had different views on what you were 'discussing' and they were interacting. This is just for me, but 11 seems to show up when there are 2 parties and they are interacting in a very lively manner. Nothing calm about it. Once we get 11 a few times, we start to see that it is anything but peaceful. It's highly charged and full of life.
I received H11 unchanging when I asked the I Ching for "illumination on what occurred in Dr. X's office yesterday".
Is it saying that I should be at peace with leaving?
'Heaven and Earth communicate. Flowing.
The prince enriches and accomplishes the dao of heaven and earth,
Supports and structures heaven and earth's mutual help and harmony,
Helps and protects the people.'
The prince has ‘opted in’ to the flow, works with it, creates contexts within which the creative work can be done. Heaven would be ideas and potential energy, earth would be ways and capacity to make things happen. These two communicate – idea people and making-it-happen people sit down together. The idea is to interweave the two as tightly and securely as possible. Get people and energies working together, create synergy.
‘Helping and protecting’ is literally ‘left and right’, originally the two hands facing one another, with the idea that each helps the other. This is actually part of the original character Tai.
Hexagram 54, the Marrying Maiden. The surge of energy can ‘sweep you off your feet’ into a situation where you’re no longer in control – the creative flow is so much more than the individual. So this might be something to avoid manifesting. Equally it might be something you have to experience in order to know 11 from the inside.
Wow, that certainly adds more grist for the mill! Yes, I actually had viewed H11 as a lazy day in July, with pink lemonade and lounge chairs under a big willow tree. Now I view it more as an apocalyptic weighing of the scales.Hi Foxx,
I don't know if the yi is answering the latter. I think possibly this therapist was using some form of questioning to force you to recognise something in yourself. This from wikiwing:
I agree with answered questions. aint nothin peacefull about hex 11. its an all go type hex from my experience, the idea of 'balance' and 'harmony' asociated with this hex doesnt conjure up a lazy sunny day in a calm atmosphere, it brings up huge measuring scales that are bouncing back and forth until they have figured out how to maintain equilibrium. Not an easy task. and harmony? How many false notes do you have to compose before you hit those few magic 'just right' tones?
i reckon this therapist is trying to get you out of your comfort zone on purpose.
lofting also calles 11 'mediation', very apt in your case.
nuclear is 54 ( a very out of comfort zone hex)
from wikiwing
so maybe this therapist is forcing you into unknown and unexplored territory (54) where your not in control, your therapist is, and this makes you feel really uncomfortable.
I would just say also as an aside, that maybe next time you go, to confront him/her about this technique s/he is using on you, and what purpose there was in making you so upset about it.
Bests,
Yx
Thanks, just saw your other post now, and aaargh, yes, 2 questions in one was not good. My bad. Well, I feel she was trying one of those "get tough" challenges, but yes, it reminded me of a certain approach often taken by my older sister, which reeks of hypocrisy and nastiness. My gut reaction was, "How dare you?"it don't sound too pleasant foxx. I agree with you. I would still confront her about it before you completely start over with a new person. You will be able to figure out if she was just being a big bully or whether there was method in the way she conducted herself.
I also know that finding a good therapist is pretty hard. the right environment and chemistry need to form between 2 people to let 18 happen.
if you feel like trust had been completely lost now, then she can no longer get you to confront bad experiences or open up fully to her.
can i ask a question? was she acting in a way that reminded you of some other event in your past?
an event you told her about?
Just food for thought.
Bests,
Yx
Ha, so you know the score, then. You need say nothing further. Yes, the small departs, the great approaches, could almost be seen as my response to her petty and low class "scare the patient straight" technique. If it had not made me so ill, I would almost feel sorry for her. Yes, I will try to see if I can give it a last go. But I do need a break for right now. Your input is great, thanks loads!!!wow, so yeah, she was trying a big sister approach on you eh? ( i know the feeling. i have been blessed (or cursed) with 2 older sisters. Nasty manipulative,vindictive crap that im sure one day i'll have a lengthly discussion about with a therapist of my own! ) and i bet if there is a tough guy thing that therapists pull, they're trying incarnate your worst memory to get you to confront something.
Maybe just you being so calm and collected and watching her backtrack in itself was 10>18. a way to repair the damage of the past.
Whatever happens, i'd definitely go back for one last session, see what she has to say. It might be just what you need to hear to know that this therapist isn't the one for you, or the opposite. hex 11.
hex 11 is pretty brilliant foxx. I cant drop that initial response yi gave.
The small departs, the great approaches.
Yx
Did not see this until now, sorry----No,, it was more like embarrassed back-pedaling. When she saw I was not buying it, and I was offended, and questioning her ethics, she began to take back what she had said, rationalized it, as it were. But the damage had been done. I had seen her mask slip, and she knew it --- it really bothered me, because I would rather she stood her ground. Even though I felt she was in the wrong, it bothered me that she became so embarrased at my anger. This to me seemed like she had not really been in control, if this makes sense.Excuse me, but didn`t she explain in any way her behavior when you got upset? Could you clearly see her loose control?
@ YX and Dragona, both:also, the fact that she came across as insane to you is quite interesting. Just reading what dragona just posted.
I think both her aggressive accusations, and what happened directly after (the backtrack) was all an act. maybe when you left her office she secretly leapt about the room shouting in a very freudian/jungian verrnacular 'by jove! breakthrough!!'
in any case, im sure your not the first or the last to pull the 'youll be hearing from my attorney!' card! If shes semi retired and used to treat real hardcore scumbags, that was water off a ducks back to her i'm sure.
its just really odd the way she acted. in a way that makes me think shes either the most amazing therapist ever, or she went into therapy to get over her own past big sister bully scenario! its been 8 months, and you said shes made you feel uncomfortable before ( that is the therapists job, afterall) but nothing like this last session, right?
ive never gone to a therapist for that extended amount of time. im sure wierd dynamics start popping up after such a long period, need to pop up. and one last thing. who said that to maintain peace is harder then fighting a war?!
Yx
6/6/2012 06:25 what will happen if foxx goes back to her therapist
lines: 988677
hexagrams: 42:1,4 — 12
42. I / Increase
above SUN THE GENTLE, WIND, WOOD
below CHÊN THE AROUSING, THUNDER
THE JUDGMENT
INCREASE. It furthers one
To undertake something.
It furthers one to cross the great water.
THE LINES
Nine at the beginning means:
It furthers one to accomplish great deeds.
Supreme good fortune. No blame.
Six in the fourth place means:
If you walk in the middle
And report to the prince,
He will follow.
It furthers one to be used
In the removal of the capital.
12. P’i / Standstill [Stagnation]
above CH’IEN THE CREATIVE, HEAVEN
below K’UN THE RECEPTIVE, EARTH
THE JUDGMENT
STANDSTILL. Evil people do not further
The perseverance of the superior man.
The great departs; the small approaches.
Wow. Of course I do not mind; I appreciate it. I think many of your insights are astute, and really helpful. No, do not get along with my sister. And I usually stayed around 2 + years in therapy, sporadically, throughout the years. I like your take on 42.4 - and will continue to mull all over. THANKS!!!Hey Foxx.
I've slept on it. and these thoughts went through my head before i fell asleep.
First of all, thanks for giving the extra information above. I feel this backs up the points i'm about to offer.
18 is all about carrying around dead weight that you got from your parents. Look at each of the lines. everyhting is to do with inheriting your parents problems and how to get out of that miasma. The fact you received 10 >18 regarding this, to me, is greatly auspicious. Your treading the path to get rid of all this extra weight that has nothing to do with you. Its your parents influence on you as a child/teenager.
you already know how i feel about 11.
You say you've had a lot of therapy before, at significant points in your life. How long did you stay with each therapist? This is just something i would be interested in knowing, because I think it plays a significant part in how you progress with clearing away 18.
Also, do you get along with your sister? Or do you think that you both have issues regarding your parents that have caused your relationship to be strained?
I feel like your doctor purposefully opted in to being your sisters therapist in order to get a clearer image of the family. To help both of you. Obviously your sister told your son some things which you felt were highly inappropriate. This is the fault of your sister, not your therapist. she did say that she tried to explain that to your sister during your heated exchange, and at the start you did think that your sister having the same therapist as you was a good idea.I get the feeling that your sister might have used this information to make you feel bad for some reason. From the sounds of things you do not get along with your sister. Maybe your sister is acting on the defensive, scared of what image you have already given your therapist of her. Is she a new client of your doctors compared to you?
As for 57.6. Iching 123 has to me some interesting words regarding this. heres a screen shot for you.
http://www.dropmocks.com/mBjIpA
I'm interested in the idea that you may still be concealing something of your inner world here. The time for the reform has come but identity is somehow wrapped up in confinement. The penetrating influence can't manifest at this line because of something blocking you from allowing yourself to come forth and take control to clear away the miasma of 18. It seems like this exchange was to force you to act out. to begin to take control of events and to align whatever is 'concealed' with the outside world. fan yao 48.6 is all about brining out your 'depths'. expressing the subconcious for the good of all. the well doesnt change, events outside dont change it, only how we access the well, or your problems, changes. 48.6 is where the well can be reached easily, your speech and your own perception are perfectly aligned. This is when the real healing can begin.
I hope you don't mind, but i asked Yi a question on your behalf.
Line 1. You must make use of this blessing. you must take on the auspiciousness of the time. The one above enriches the one below. it is advantages to use the help offfered.
Line 4. If you go to this therapist again, and dont let a heated exchange happen, but walk 'in the middle', you will clear out this old world ( removal of the capital).
This will get you the hell out of 12.
I will also add that lofting has 51 by way of 42>12. A moment of hightened clarity. A burst of light that shows you the way. a moment of emotional turbulence that leads to a deeper understanding. A new beginning.
Yx
Ha, so I am not the only one with these tumultuous therapy sessions. Thanks so much for sharing; and I DO believe that sometimes verbal therapy can be replaced by things such as art therapy and the like. Thanks for your kind words. Much appreciated.Interesting stuff foxx - I had been seeing my present male therapist on and off for about 3 years but when the volatile stuff went down for me recently I went you know what I don't wanna go back to him and recognised some of his verbal behaviour wasn't quite appropriate or right for me and he did raise his voice unnecessarily once or twice but like you it was easier to stay than start again.
But then I thought maybe I just need something different to verbal counselling or whatever it is for you and that's why I went with the art therapy.
Just a thought though sometimes talking just doesn't quite hit the spot we need it to.
Hope you sort something out for yourself and become joyous again. - Liss
Yes, I may indeed have to address this in one of those ways. Thanks for your nice words. Always love to hear from you. xx:bows:its always unnerving when a counsellor loses it -
once the trust is breached its hard to take them
seriously
you could schedule a round off session to express
your feelings about it - ask why they lost control
when they are in that position of trust......
refund or letter to their governing body - stand up for
your sense of well being and peace ? hexagram 11
you are defending yourself well of late:bows:
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