Help? 24 to 1

[luz]

Somehow I find this answer interesting. The question was 'Is there a connection?' (between two people). The reason I find it interesting I already brought up in another thread. (how is 26 different from 45) In this case I think I know how 1 is different from 2, but...
First, I'm still not clear on whether it is correct to read only the <u>unchanging</u> line in the <u>original</u> hexagram when the other five are changing... somehow I'm fascinated with hexagrams with five changing lines... but it stops being so fascinating if the method of reading the remaining line is not so good. I'm rambling here, what do I want to know?

1. I'd like to know if you guys (whoever would like to respond) think that using only the non-changing line instead of all five changing is acceptable or desirable when doing a reading.

2. If yes to the above, I'm mystified by the setup where - for instance - 24.1 leads to 2 (inevitably, it would seem) but then the Yi gives you a 24.1 leading to 1 (by way of 24.2.3.4.5.6) so it's kind of like an out-of the-ordinary situation? What do you (responder to this thread) think about it?

Thanks for the help and the patience.

 

[yly2pg1]

Hi Lightangel,

Your Question #2 seems to answer your Question#1.

I also notice that both methods help.
24.1 is the answer/solution.
24.2.3.4.5.6 provide clues to solve the "riddles" (like in the movie National Treasure).

The scientific explanation? leave it to Chris. May have something to do with the DODECAHEDRON and the I Ching structure?

 

[luz]

Right but - as an academic example - in that particular case, what does the difference mean... how are the two answer opposites somehow or just different? Question for anyone...
Thanks for your answer.

 

[yly2pg1]

In that particular case, it means the connection between two people is still unsettled, in the process of finding the same rhythm and frequency.

24.1 reflects the path you should take.
24.2.3.4.5.6 reflects the mental/physical processes of finding that connection.

Yi cautions that the journey is only half way. Be firm and determined to listen to your "inner voice" to make a move.

 

[luz]

thank you Yly2pg1. That's something to think about.

 

[candid]

I see it as 24 with a long fuse. Then BOOM!

 

[luz]

Candid, I like it. Very graphic.

 

[heylise]

When 5 lines are changing, and you look at the one unchanging line - then why didn't Yi answer with that one line? Maybe because it's intention is, that you look at those 5 which change...

'Is there a connection?' (between two people)... There is a lot of creativity between them, as the relating hex 1 shows, but there is also a lot of work to be done. Hex. 24 has 5 yin lines and only one yang, and all the yin lines are changing. So obviously there is way too much yin, and that has to be mended. Too much expectancy, too much relying on feelings, too much giving in, and so on. What they need is activity, perseverance, a clear focus on what they want to accomplish.

When you want to accomplish a task, do you also look at the one thing which does not need to be done??
No, you try to get an overview of what has to be done, and then you tackle all those things one by one.
Same thing with multiple changing lines.

LiSe

 

[cal val]

Lise...

Your reading very much details my "quick view" of the situation... and that is... return to the self.

There's a giving up of self, a losing of self for the other that so many of us unwittingly do in relationships. I see the return to the self involving work... effort, but it doesn't seem like anything she can't handle.

Maybe this relationship will help her do that, or maybe this is something she needs to be keenly aware of in this relationship. She'd be the one who would know the answer to that.

Love,

Val

 

[cal val]

Hi Light Angel...

I was originally hesitant to provide my understanding of your reading before because it looked less like you were looking for an answer and more like you wanted a discussion of multiple moving lines.

There's been a great deal of discussion... (sometimes wonderfully spicy and heated... *grin*) in a couple of threads about multiple moving lines. I think you might enjoy studying them, and you can find them doing a forum search. I believe they were in the divination discussion section.

Love,

Val

 

[cal val]

Light Angel...

Another thought... I know the Yi answers people according to the way they interpret. I personally don't get stuck in a static approach to reading the lines. Usually they're the answer, but not always... especially when there are as many as you've received here. The Yi has used whatever approach necessary to get their message through to me. For an example, years ago I asked when my boyfriend was going to call again... if ever. They answered 10 > 27. I was puzzling over the relevance of the lines when the phone rang. It was my boyfriend. I looked at the clock when I picked up the phone. The LED readout said 10:27. I have a lot more stories like that... and one fairly recently that's documented here on this forum. So...

Over the years I've gradually learned that when the Yi follows a primary hexagram with 1 as the resulting, they are usually telling me to intiate whatever the action is in the hexagram statement of the primary. When they follow a primary hex with 2 as the resulting, they're telling me to be receptive to the action in the primary hexagram statement... IOW someone/something else is the initiator, and I will profit from being open. The lines can sometimes hold clues as to details... but not always... especially not when there are as many changing lines as you got.

Is this a reunion with someone from your past?

In the end, the possibilities are many, and a reading like this really requires intuition more than most do. What does your "gut" say?

Love,

Val

 

[candid]

I see this reading quite the opposite. I don?t see too much yin but too much yang where there ought to be yin, resulting in an explosive and dominant yang (hex. 1). Returning requires self mastery, especially when yang forces are pressing in obstinately.

Lines:
2 ? Quiet return. Good fortune.
3 ? Repeated return. Danger
4 ? Returning alone.
5 ? Noble return. No remorse,
6 ? Missing the return. Misfortune.

This is the fuse I had mentioned. Each step offers repeated warning, with line 5 being the noblest of returns because it is so near to the peak of excitement. 6 misses the opportunity to diffuse the tension. It is the trigram thunder under the earth that is rising toward the top. Think volcano. I can only imagine this having an explosive outcome.

Bear in mind, this isn?t necessarily a permanent condition. It was the condition at the time the coins were cast. Sometimes only a minor adjustment in thinking can completely change the dynamic. This too is the nature of hex. 1: always ready to accommodate its power to the conditions at hand. The key, our role, is to manage these energies so as to work creatively with the prevailing forces. Ideally, this would look like hex. 11. There, yin and yang work together as one. Here in this reading, they are dynamically opposing.

 

[lightofdarkness]

24.1

Each of the lines are manifestations of qualities of hexagrams:

line 1 - 24
line 2 - 07
line 3 - 15
line 4 - 16
line 5 - 08
line 6 - 23

In EACH of these hexagrams, changing the one yang line returns you from the realm of actualisation to the realm of potentials (02).

The 'opposite' path of holding the line position constant and 'changing' all of the rest will move you to the realm of full actualisation (01). For 24 this is the same as XOR-ing 24 with 44.

24 XOR 24 = 02 what this 'says' is that the 24-ness of 24 is in its form as a POTENTIAL - where the realm of potentials is represented by hex 02.

44 XOR 24 = 01 What this says is that the 44-ness of 24 is expressed by analogy to 01 - the realm of maximum actualisation. (44 here being a focus on seduction/persuasion. 44 expressed through 24 will appear in an intense, singleminded, manner - as one would expect in this context of returning to the one 'true' path - with enlightenment comes devotion-to-another/others, total trust in another/others)

 

[lightofdarkness]

BTW - 24.1 is interpretable as the manifestation of a static dodecagram:

100000-000000 - read as a hexagram over a hexagram this reinforces sense of strong devotion (02) in a context of returning (24).

OTOH 24 with no change is expressed in a dodecagram as:

110000-000000 Note the focus here on approach to the high (19) associated with devotion to another (02).

the encode/decode is based on compressing/decompressing changes. Thus translating a hexagram into a dodecagram means doubling existing line patterns thus:

one yang becomes two
one yin becomes two
yang into yin change becomes yang line followed by yin line (bottom up)
yin into yang change becomes yin line followed by yang line (bottom up)

We can do the same to in reverse to give us changing line trigrams where a hexagram is compressed into a changing-line trigram

e.g. 24 becomes yang-into-yin base line, yin middle, yin top - and so represents a generic quality of the trigram of thunder changing into the trigram of earth.

As trigrams can reflect the compression of static hexagrams, so changing-line hexagrams can reflect the compression of static dodecagrams.

It is all about resolution power - trigrams are naked eye, hexagrams are binoculars, dodecagrams are telescopes.

64 dodecagrams pack into one changing line hexagram; 8 hexagrams pack into one changing line trigram.

 

[luz]

Thank you everyone for your replies.

Lise, you had the answer to my question pretty much summed up. I guess I should have thought of that. I just - for some reason - like to speculate about the 'nature' of the answers provided by the Yi and on the uniqueness of a particular one in a particular situation.

Specially so when a question is so simple. My question, although faulty because it was a yes or no question, was rather simple, I thought. The connection I had in mind was not romantic, or trascendental, I'm not even sure how to describe it, I guess it was more at a stage of 'are these two people somehow like-minded' rather than 'are they soul mates'. So I thought the answer should be rather simple. And, getting 5 moving lines seemed like an excess so I figured that reading the unchanging line should be the answer. But, as Lise says, maybe I'm meant to read all of the five lines.

Val, thanks for your post. I often wonder what it means when I get 2 or 1 as the resulting hex, as I get 2 very often. Your explanation would go on my notes, if I had notes. And you are right in that I wasn't only interested in help with the answer (as I said, I thought it should be simple and to me - as a big overview - it looked like a 'probably yes') but I didn't want to discuss moving lines either, I know they are all over the place in the forum, I just thought this was a 'special case' of multiple moving lines... I don't know... maybe I'm trying too hard to 'understand' the Yi and I should try to 'feel' it more.

In any case, I love the thread. I will study Candid's view of too much yang agaings Lise's view of too much yang and when I have more time I will try to understand Chris' explanation which is always interesting.