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20.5 -> 23
Contemplation of my life.
The superior man is without blame.
20.6 -> 8
Contemplation of his life.
The superior man is without blame.
20.5.6 -> 2
"my" versus "his".... Any differerence here? and if there is, please tell me who is the "my" and who is the "his" referenced here?
In my question to the Yi, I was asking about someone else and got 20.6 so, is the "his" in 20.6 the person that I am asking about. What if I was the querent, then the "his" would be me?
And what if you got both "my" and "his". What then?
All 3 relating hexagrams from the 3 different scenarios are different outcomes or so I beleive. Anybody feel like doing a bit of "hex 30" illuminating?
I see why responding to the old threads may not be useful.I think old threads, certainly threads this old, should be locked except to the one who started them but apparently it's not practical.
I see why responding to the old threads may not be useful.
However, this question is posted in the "Exploring Divination" forum and the OP has asked how the lines should be interpreted without referring to any specific personal situation. Here we find a source of information about the lines' meaning/interpretation in general.
Is it better to start a new thread?
In 20.5.6 -> 2, one contemplates both his and another's life, and should decide what to do with the possibilities (2; fertile ground)- or to remain receptive and wait and see what happens next (the acceptance of the earth). The hidden line is 23.6: "A large fruit not eaten. The superior man acquires a carriage. The inferior man's house falls apart." The potential is there - it's up to you how to act on it
the OP has asked how the lines should be interpreted without referring to any specific personal situation.
Is it better to start a new thread?
If a person cast 20.5.6 where would 23.6 come into it ? What do you mean by 'hidden line' ? If 23.6 were the answer then the person would have cast 23.6.
The hidden line is 23.6: "A large fruit not eaten. The superior man acquires a carriage. The inferior man's house falls apart."
Hidden Spirit and it comes in connection to Flying Spirit.
The idea here is that each Hexagram must have all 5 elements and relations. If one of them is missing we find it behind the lines, to the original Hexagram of that Palace(in case of 20 it would be Qian Hexagram).
So in that sense we have 2 lines one over another. The line that is standing on top of the Hidden Spirit we call Flying Spirit(as it may disappear when the hidden line is supported enough to come out of hiding).
So depending on the strength of the elements and their relations one of them is usually active, while the other one is hidden.
In this case for example we can see behind line 1 there is Zi Water(Child) line hiding. Can it interact?
Well... Earth controls Water and first line is Earth. So initially no. However we are asking in Zi month, so that means it will interact with everything from the Month(while still staying hidden behind its parent). At the same time it will still be controlled and hidden from Wei in the day.
Meaning there would be Child/Parent movement where one will show then the other will show and each time one of them will hide behind the other.
However, as both are in the Day/Month(if asked today) it also means both will interact, but not directly, instead it will be through the different things in the environment(for example the parent will use a structure around them to "step on" as base for interaction with all other lines).
In 20.5.6 -> 2, one contemplates both his and another's life, and should decide what to do with the possibilities (2; fertile ground)- or to remain receptive and wait and see what happens next (the acceptance of the earth). The hidden line is 23.6: "A large fruit not eaten. The superior man acquires a carriage. The inferior man's house falls apart." The potential is there - it's up to you how to act on it.
By 'dead end' I mean well dead end such as 'you will not marry him and you will not marry till2021' so that the querent is left a helpless puppet of fate which is the last thing I see as the I Ching's purpose.
If you use that method then your explanation is clearly viable but if someone is understanding the I Ching through text, through what it says, not via the time of casting or any of that they cannot also at the same time use plum blossom/weng wang gua or any of the others as they will come to entirely different interpretations for each.
Its more then fine if we want to practice only the Confucian approach to it,
It is erroeneous to call text based Yi comprehension as a
"Confucian approach". It was used that way for 400 years before he started adding his commentary.
It is Dec 2021 and I am finding value in everyone’s contemplations over the course of time. I often read old threads for insight as opposed to posting new queries to the community on well documented reading combinations. Please don’t lock the threads.Look at the age of this thread. It was started in 2006 12 years ago ! The person has not been here since 2007 11 years ago so there is no point responding to them as if they were here.
Not your fault but for some reason someone tacked a comment onto an ancient thread and now you are answering as if the person asked today.
I think old threads, certainly threads this old, should be locked except to the one who started them but apparently it's not practical.
In this sense line 5 changing is someone contemplating their own life as a gathering of everything that has happened before. It is the final step in contemplation and exiting from there at the final step.
But I'm reading with real interest all the comments, and the last thing I do is reading the date...Look at the age of this thread. It was started in 2006 12 years ago ! The person has not been here since 2007 11 years ago so there is no point responding to them as if they were here.
Not your fault but for some reason someone tacked a comment onto an ancient thread and now you are answering as if the person asked today.
I think old threads, certainly threads this old, should be locked except to the one who started them but apparently it's not practical.
Wisdom never ages or dies! Take every opportunity you can to expose yourself to wisdom. The patterns just keep on rolling along for all to see.But I'm reading with real interest all the comments, and the last thing I do is reading the date...
Well that 2018 comment wasn't addressed to you was it it was addressed at the time to someone who was writing directly to christeen, the op, who has not been here since 2007. If it isn't obvious I was pointing out to Gmulii that he was replying to someone who has not been here for a very long time. I cannot see what that has to with you reading anything now. Personally I don't see much point in actually replying, that is writing directly to someone who is no longer here/dead or left. If you do well go ahead. But you are talking about reading not writing so I can't see what that has to do with my 2018 comment to Gmulli. No need to reply but if you still don't understand what I said to Gmulii 5 years ago feel free to message me.But I'm reading with real interest all the comments, and the last thing I do is reading the date...
Wisdom never ages or dies! The patterns just keep on rolling along for all to se
Well obviously the date is not so relevant to you if you are reading but if a person is actually writing to someone who is dead/left/ not here for 15 years then the date is relevant as spending an hour or so writing personally to someone who isn't here any more is a waste of energy, I don't understand your comment as if you aren't replying to the OP then no you don't need to look at the date I suppose. Maybe you were replying to the OP when you saidBut I'm reading with real interest all the comments, and the last thing I do is reading the date...
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