Hex 22 to 25

[cal val]

Is this about death?

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[gene]

Val

Why would you think so? Perhaps there is something I am missing here. If I am correct, lines 3,4. & 5 have to be changing to go to 25. Hexagram 22 has a number of themes but two very common are first about acceptance, and secondly that the question requires greater study and diligence than an oracle can give. Line 4 is about a suitor, and line 5 often refers to the suitors gifts being accepted even if they are meager. A couple of possibilities here. There is one yang line and two yin lines changing, which could indicate a man involved with two women. Not knowing the question though, I would not know. But if we look at the hexagram as a whole, then line one is often the proper suitor for the woman in line 4, but line 3 is trying to get involved too and gets in the way. She sees one of the two men as a robber, not realizing that he is really there to court. Line 5 tells us that the gift he offers is not suitable for a lady of her station, but she understands the offer and accepts it with appreciation. #25 tells us not to try to manipulate the outcome, but simply act with sincerity.

Gene

 

[cal val]

Hi Gene...

If you read the lines, you can see a 'Gail Sheehy "Passages" kind of thing.

Line one is just starting out, a person in a subordinate position.
Line two is mature enough to wear the beard of maturity.
Line three is living the good life...probably retired in Florida...*grin*
Line four has transcended time and space on a white winged horse. Passed on? Some interpretations see this line as passing on. This, btw, is the only line in this hexagram in the Zhouyi that has anything about a suitor, and I really don't see the courtship that you're seeing in the other lines. Additionally I really don't see courtship as an appropriate runner in a hexagram about beutifying the form. Dressing up to court yes...but I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I don't believe this hexagram is about courtship.

And...I recently asked the Yi about an individual and got 22 change to 25. After I asked the Yi, I found out she passed away. That's why I asked.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[gene]

Val

I wish I were retired all right. Living in Florida is only one out of two and that is just not good enough.

More later,
Gene

 

[gene]

Val

The courtship is not in the other lines per se, it is derived from line four's proper correlations with other lines. Line four is normally matched with line one, and secondarily with line 5, and tertiarily, with line 3. When line 4 is derived, you need to look at its relationship with other lines. In the reading, you apparently received line 3, 4 & 5. The idea of acceptance is indicated in line 5, line 5 however, is not properly related with line 2, which is the natural order, so here, it looks to the sixth line. There you have the proper matching of yin with yang. While beautification is a major aspect of the hexagram, it is not the only aspect. As is true with most of the hexagrams, they have dual and triple meanings, and more. They also have different meanings on different levels. Line one and four do have the proper correlation, yang with yin. Therefore, it is the first line to which the fourth line reaches out to. The first line is walking, because it is of lower status, the fourth line, being higher status, comes to the first on a winged horse, it is like a person on a bicycle coming to meet a person who is coming to him in a Mercedes Benz. Even though the yin line is of much higher status, she accepts the approach of the yang line. Since your question ddidn't relate to these types of relationships though, then there is a different factor being played out here.

Gene

 

[cal val]

Gene...

I don't read all the lines like you do. I use my intuition and read only one of the changing lines...usually the last unless one of them is a governing ruler and then I read that one. Sometimes a line just jumps out at me and the light goes on. I completely trust my intuition. And I believe that was the intent when the Zhouyi was written.

I have about five interpretations and one translation of the Zhouyi I read, and I also use my intuition as concerns the subtle or glaring differences among them. Regarding 22, they're all pretty much in agreement, and none of them reads it as being a hexagram of courtship. They all read it as being a hexagram about outer adornment...about the form. The words in the lines are about outer adornment as well. Furthermore, none of the interpretations I read see the remnant of silk as a gift to a woman whom one is courting. It is a gift to the host whose gardens and hills one has been given the privilege to walk in.

I really see the lines in 22 as being stages of one's form through the stages of maturing just like I see the lines of 51 being about surviving...or not...an earthquake. I was delighted to read LiSe's words on line 4 of 22, "Then energetic, then silver haired, then a white horse soaring up. No bandit, marriage."

Keep in mind the ancient Chinese were very spiritual. And keep in mind that 22 is one of the first 30 hexagrams. Someone in this forum, I think it was Kevin, mentioned that the first 30 lines are about things spiritual. I think 22 is part of their spiritual story of the relationship between Heaven and Earth. Earth (hexagram 2) adorns heaven (hexagram 1). And the white winged horse has come not to rob one of life, but to marry one to Heaven.

Courtship could not possibly have applied to the individual I was inquiring about. And I was inquiring as to her health, knowing it was in a fragile state last I heard. Further, I've been getting this hexagram in relation to someone else who has a potentially terminal illness and whose health, etc. have been kept secret from me. It's complicated. Incidentally, courtship does not apply to this individual's situation as well. When I learned that the first individual passed on, it hit me. The suitor on the white winged horse is a suitor from Heaven.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[gene]

Val

Like I said, since that was not your question, then it does not apply to you. Whether you see courtship in the hexagram or not, that is your choice.

Gene

 

[cal val]

Gene...

Thanks for your input. I'll watch for that possible application in the future.

I hope I answered your question, "Why would you think so?" sufficiently.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[gene]

Hi Val

Yeah, it's cool. And there certainly are a lot of other possibilities for meaning for this reading.

Gene

 

[cal val]

Gene...

Yeah...in the bath just now, I had a forehead slapping moment. Any hexagram is about courtship if your question is about courtship. *slapping forehead*...*grin*

I don't anticipate asking any such questions in the forseeable future.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[gene]

Val

The upper trigram is the youngest son, and the lower is the middle daughter, usually when one trigram is male, and one female, we have a greater possibility for courtship, but in 22 it is often one based on a lack of deeper insight. The younger son best pairs up with the younger daughter, as in #31.

Gene

 

[gene]

Actually, hexagram 53 works very well too, where the younger son is with the eldest daughter, but in this case, the courtship is very gradual and long term.

Gene