Hex 26

[bfireman]

Val-
That is pretty damn incredible! Life is such a mystery! Pretty neat when those moments of realization and truth come storming in leaving no doubt to their significance. Whether that dream happened 20 years ago or last night though, brings up a whole other bag of worms on questions of "time". Makes me think of hex 5, which for me is always accompanied by a sense of relief shortly followed by, "well how much time do I have to wait damnit!!!" Of course, that is just the point... letting go completely and waiting with the that big grin and sense of absolute trust in the mystery.

Also, anyone out there know Carol Anthony? Maybe she could be persuaded to join us? Then we could know just what she does for fun!(Maybe she's hanging out with Yoda eating twinkies and watching old Monty Python flicks???) Speaking of fun, Pedro, you really must know that master Yoda was referring to a big fat marijuana cigarette in "doobie", and a "twinkie" is a kind of sugar/fat-really-bad-for-you kind of pastry one can find in any gas station in the states. So, now the true wisdom of of that jedi knight should make a bit more sense...

Also, Carol Anthony's commentary on hex 26 was one of the most enlightening commentaries I had ever received regarding the yi at the time I threw it regarding the split with my wife. Around that time was when I knew without doubt I had a good friend in yi who was gonna smack me around and teach me a thing or two. As I said before, I do feel there are many different layers of possible meanings in the hex's, and her interpreation of hex 26, although very poignant to my situation at the time, is not at all a rigid box I hold hex 26 in, or any commentary on any hex for that matter. Later on - B

PS - Val, what does "cheerio the noo" mean???

 

[lindsay]

Thanks, Brian! I've been meaning to ask the same question for the longest time. But Val can be pretty intimidating and doesn't suffer fools gladly.

So, Val, what does "cheerio the noo" mean? What on earth is a "noo"? It sounds like one of those antelopey things that are always getting chomped by big cats on TV animal shows.

Lindsay

 

[cal val]

Brian...

THANKS! I absolutely LOVE watching this dream come true. The last thing that came true was about three years ago. That was the man that skied across my path. The hotel was two years before that...a hotel near Heathrow my last night in the UK...with my shy muse. I've been thinking "I'm tired of your childish tricks" for a long time now, but I don't think I actually closed the hotel room door until the Hex 26 lightbulb went on.

I am so happy that I've FINALLY reached the part where I crack my little whip. I've always interpreted it as having personal power. Besides that, it means I'm very close to the wonderful ending...which is really a beginning. You DID get the "tying the knot" imagery didn't you? Did you also notice my unconscious, the "collective unconscious," is aware that I'm a little slow on the uptake. It/they repeated the action about 10 times to make sure I'd get it.

It's been pretty funny when I look back. For over twenty years I've been wanting this moment to come. I've been watching and waiting for the last five years...five years as of this last April 8th. I would do a piece of art I thought was good and think maybe THIS is where I crack my whip, or I'd do something that required some kind of emotional strength and think maybe THIS is me cracking my little whip. None ever really stuck. And the I Ching would say, "Nah...not yet." But when I was walking down that walkway with pep in my step and glide in my stride, I was suddenly looking at the same image and feeling the same feeling I had in the dream...with my arm raised to make a whip cracking motion at that! I KNEW! I knew absolutely this was the moment. It was really quite exciting.

Cheerio the noo is a Scottish phrase. It's the same as cya, TTFN, toodles, hasta la vista baby, later duuuude, ciao for now, bu-bye, etc.

Lindsay...

A mental dwarf like me intimidates an intellectual giant like you??? Now THAT'S a real knee-slapper. But seriously...how so? Do tell. And all this time I thought YOU were the one who doesn't suffer fools gladly! *grin* Why do you think I don't suffer fools gladly? I do! I HAVE to if I expect them to suffer me. Besides...you're hardly a fool!

Here's the funny thing. I'm pretty practical. I don't delve into philosophy much. I just have a couple of basic words I like to apply to living..."integrity" and "respect"...oh and "fun." Well, there's also "productivity"...oh, and...never mind *grin* But you, Lindsay! I've read some posts that tell me you've spent a lot of time studying, contemplating and understanding philosophy...deeply...and I just wonder how someone like you feels about the simple grinning fools like myself who use this forum.

Later duuuuudes...*grin*

Val

Oh wait. I have a quick question. I've heard Gene say he's happy to say he doesn't get Hex 34 very often. And I always thought it was a good thing. But now I don't know. I've been getting Hex 34 change to 11 since I realized Hex 26. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? The changing nine in the fourth seems pretty good to me, but we all know I'm an infant terrible when it comes to understanding the I Ching.

 

[lindsay]

Come on, Val, give me a break. I?ve never seen you in a situation in this forum where you couldn?t hold your own. You?re anybody?s equal and then some, the way I see it.

I suppose a lot of people think I?m annoying and pretentious, but frankly I offer what I can. There is a lot I can?t offer. I don?t have the human insight or the practical commonsense or the simple compassion to be a good reader for other people. I?m an introvert ? the world inside my head is more interesting to me than the one outside it, where I?m clumsy and inept. Asking me for advice about relationships would be like going to a sawmill for brain surgery. That?s why you don?t see me jumping in very often to discuss other people?s readings.

But it just so happens I do have a certain kind of academic background and I have spent a lot of time reading and studying the Yi. Book knowledge, pure and simple. Sometimes I can contribute something along those lines, but that?s about it.

What do I think of you? I think you?re fantastic! I wish I had your gifts. But I don?t, so I can only offer you mine, knowing they are not to everyone?s taste, but hoping for tolerance if not enthusiasm. So there?s really no reason to belittle ourselves or mock others, we?re all so dreadfully sincere in this forum. Sometimes the honesty here just makes me ache inside.

I?m glad to know ?cheerio the noo? is a Scottish expression. I?ve never been able to understand Bobbie Burns either, although people who do say he is a great poet. Isn?t it amazing all the things we miss in life, that zoom right by us or fly over our heads? That?s why I like this forum. So many people with so many different backgrounds and outlooks. Can?t help but learn something.

Lindsay

 

[gene]

Hi,

I didn't realize I was happy not to get #34. I don't know about that. That could launch me into a philosophical repertoire that would bore everybody to tears. One of my fights with the fundamentalists is over this concept of whether you can have good without evil. It is hard for them to conceptualize that I am talking about the concept of good and evil, not actual acts of good and evil. For if there is something good, it can only be distinguished as good if there is the concept of its opposite being equal. And therein lies the rub. We live in the world of duality, or do we? So in the world of duality, then it may be good to get one line and bad to get another, but in the world of unity, is one line any better than another? The reason I probably don't get #34 very often is it speaks about power, and I have about as much power as it takes to throw a spear 15 feet in the air. And that aint much.

Gene

 

[gene]

As fate would have it, I received hexagram #34 line 3 this morning. I think the I Ching is chewing me out.

Gene

 

[cal val]

Gene...

I just re-read your post on Hex 34 to which I was referring. I misread it originally. It says nothing about being happy to say you don't get it very often. It simply says you don't. Please accept my apology.

That said, I guess it IS a good thing after all...*grin*

Ciao for now,

Val

 

[gene]

No need to apologize Val, although it is nice to see your posts and all. I didn't really remember what I said either. I think the world is divided into two kinds of people. There are those who remember what they were doing at 10:00 on April 3, 1963, and there are those who don't remember what they had for breakfast this morning. I fit into the latter category.

Thanks,
Gene

 

[heylise]

I printed part of all these mails, and tried to figure out hex.26.
I always overlooked Anthony's comments, they seemed not to make any connection with my view of 26. But I did not have any good idea either.

Now I think 26 is about the medal having two sides. Everything in life, big, small, absolutely everything, has two sides, a front and a backside. A shining side and a monster lurking behind it, or a logical one and something misty back there. Or a superficial side and a deep wisdom.

That is why 26 is "big accumulation" (never understood why they translate "taming of the great" or so). Only when one can handle both sides does life become great and complete. Knowing when and how to love and when and how to fear (or to deal with fear).

Another translation is "big cattle", and maybe it has a lot to do with "the ten oxen", the way to find .. well, whatever one can find.

LiSe

 

[cal val]

Hi everyone...

Do you know what I think. Do you care what I think? Well I'm going to tell you anyway. I always do, don't I? *wry grin*

I think the Book of Changes is a wonderful invention. It's a tool, a language to communicate with the unconscious, with the collective intelligence, the collective wisdom that envelopes us all. I'm going to call it the 'force' here for the sake of brevity.

So much of it is nebulous, and I suspect it was written to be that way intentionally. So that the person reading the Book can intuit for him/herself just what the force is trying to help him/her understand.

Look how many different interpretations of 13.6 Lindsay came up with in the I have a favor to ask thread, and then look at Candid's different and very refreshing interpretation. We all see from different places because we all have different experiences, different priorities, differently functioning brains...because we're all different.

After reading this thread, I truly believe Hex 26 is possibly THE most nebulous of the nebulous. I mean if Lise had difficulty defining it...well that should tell you right there. And everyone here has a different interpretation, not merely a slight twist, but very very different...and all very very right...for each person who posted each interpretation.

And I have no doubt that my unconscious...and the force...knowing the powerful obstacle I needed to overcome, knowing Carol Anthony's version is out there and knowing that Brian would post it, used Hex 26 in all its nebulousness to show me a vital truth, deal with it and move on.

Whether Carol Anthony's is the 'correct' interpretation of Hex 26 or not, it's a rather undeniable fact. Fear controls. Difficult for some to face obviously...just look at some of the "shoot the messenger" reactions in this thread. And her counsel...to keep the faith...is wise counsel indeed.

Where I could never really understand Hexagram 26 before, I now think it's one of the most powerful hexagrams in the Book...and I love it...*grin*

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[heylise]

Other translation: "tame the great"

And I think you are right, the Yi is more than what it says. It can summon up what you need, and there is no way of telling how 'the force' does it.

LiSe

 

[cal val]

Brian...

I got Hex 26 change to Hex 34 this morning...*grin*

Cheerio the noo,

Val