Hex. 49 and Hex. 5

[ichingclarity]

Hello Online Clarity community!

I-ching trully amazes me and the opportunity to have been able to find this forum has too. I wanted to get some help from anyone in the community with my small issue. I asked if I should again talk to an exdate about a certain situation that we had. She had asked me for some time and I recevied Hex. 49 with a nine in third place. Obviously this Hex. is telling me no, but I can't figure out what this means:

When talk of revolution has gone the rounds three times,
One may commit himself,
And men will believe him.

I would sure appreciate any input with this text. Just so you guys know my other Hex. turned out to be Hex. 5, which is telling me to wait.

I hope I'm doing this correctly. Thank you for your time.


Regards,


John W.

 

[bruce]

Weeell, howdy there stranger. Looks like time to set up and sit it out a spell, maybe spin a few yarns round the fire with the other cowpokes. But iffin ya hear the same tale three times, then saddle up and ride. Ya don't wanna miss the round up!

Oh, and don't be too noisy neither, lessin ya show disrespect. Them doggies don't take kindly to a lotta ruckus, now, hear?

 

[dobro p]

It's dogies, not doggies. You find the former on the Chisolm Trail, the latter on your leg.

Hi John - you asked the Yi about whether you should talk about the situation with your ex, and the Yi gave you a line which contains the image of talking. Nice. Here's what 49.3 says: powerfully imposing order on the situation is unfortunate, and carrying out what you think is right is dangerous. But when the throwing off and discarding of outmoded forms has been discussed thoroughly, you capture truth.

So, although it sounds to me like you might not get the girl necessarily, you *will* gain insight or understanding. But a light touch is required, and patience, and communication.

 

[bruce]

Dogies, yep. Swut I said. And chissim's right. (you been payin tention! ) But I'm thinkin the leg s'wuts gettin pulled.

 

[dobro p]

lol

drinker

drunker

drunk

 

[jerryd]

LOL...the longer I drink here the stander I get.

 

[ewald]

Hi John - I'm afraid you didn't quite get the changing lines right, if your resulting hexagram was 5. For 49 changing to 5 the changing lines are 2 and 4.

49.2 says that after a little time it is no problem to carry on with the change. 49.4 that there will be trust in the changed rules in the new situation (perhaps after a little bit of resistance at the outset).

So it seems like a good idea to do talk to your exdate. Unless, of course, it's the resulting hexagram you got wrong, and not the changing line.

 

[dobro p]

Oh man, I don't believe you guys. lol

49.3 > 17

 

[ichingclarity]

I'm going to look for the numbers in the order they came out, so you guys can please tell me if I got this wrong from the beginning.

This is going to be interesting!


John W.

 

[ichingclarity]

So, here are the numbers.......tan tan tan tan..

2+2+3 7
2+2+2 6
2+2+3 7
3+3+3 9
2+2+3 7
2+3+3 8

When I put these numbers top to bottom it gives me Hex. 49, with a nine on the third line. Meaning that this Hex. with the 6 and 9 changes to Hex. 5. Who thinks I'm completely out of base here?


John W.

 

[matt]

Thats right JW, you have 49, with transforming lines 6th at the 2nd, and 9th at the third. 49-5.

 

[matt]

beg your pardon - 6th at the 2nd and 9th at the 4th - 49-5. Sorry Im ill, my brain has stopped functioning completely. I now make Forrest Gump look like Einstein.

 

[martin]

Lol, I have similar problems. The flu has blocked all neurons except one.
And with one neuron I cannot XOR. Ask Chris.

 

[bruce]

erm, top to bottom?

 

[hilary]

erm, indeed. But looking at the numbers, John actually constructed the hexagram bottom to top. He's just testing.

 

[matt]

Martin, at least you have ONE neuron working for you! Id be happy with one, or maybe just a half... then maybe I wont be reaching to put the kettle in the refridgerator and the milk in the cutlery draw

 

[ichingclarity]

So, how would you guys interpret this:

When talk of revolution has gone the rounds three times, One may commit himself, And men will believe him.

I asked if I should again talk to an exdate about a certain situation that we had. She had asked me for some time. What do you guys think? I think that this is telling me when to proceed, but I don't know what I should be paying attention toooo,

. Is it when she has mentioned 3 times something about relationships or something that has to do with the situation?

SOS!!!


Thanks!


John W.

 

[bruce]

LOL, Matt, thought I was the only one who did that! Especially yesterday. sheeesh, space cowboy.

 

[hilary]

John, did you give those lines in the order you received them? 767, 978? As if so - remembering you build your hexagram from the bottom up - that's lines 2 and 4 you have changing, not line 3 at all. And I would think both of those lines are in favour of bringing about change yourself. By all means bring it up. What to pay attention to? Everything that's present and real - your truth, and hers.

Just going to put the dinner in the washing machine now.

 

[ichingclarity]

You see Hilary I'm very confused, because I threw the coins and they came out 767 and 978 and I thought that when you put the Hex together the nine is in third place.....I did build it from the bottom up, but I don't see how that makes a difference when you build it...??? Man I feel stupid, it seemed so clear.

 

[ichingclarity]

I saw the difference now...but my i-ching book says it's supposed to be done from the bottom up.

 

[matt]

hahah

Hilary and Bruce - laughter is the best way to cure an ailment, thanks!

Chucking away...

 

[matt]

oops, I mean chuckling away...

 

[matt]

John Wayne, the divining process will become clearer when you get more familair with it.

If you use coins, a good way to remember (without using numbers) is this -

2 heads and a tail = Yin (broken line)
2 tails and a head = Yang (solid line)
3 tails = Yin transforming (broken line changes to a solid line)
3 heads = Yang transforming (solid line changes to a broken line)

Your first throw is the bottom line, and each successive throw gives you your next line as you work upwards. So your 6th and final throw will be the top line of the hexagram.

And with this explanation, I have currently augmented my intelligence to a rate of 0.27 active neurons/a second. At this rate, I may be brave enough to try walking and talking at the same time.

 

[jesed]

Hi Ichingclarity

Just in case the comment could be useful

You got:

6 toss = 8 soft unchanging
5 toss = 7 firm changing
4 toss = 9 firm changing
3 toss = 7 firm unchanging
2 toss = 6 soft changing
1 toss = 7 firm unchanging

So, Inner Trigram = fire; outer trigram lake.

Principal Hexagram = 49 Revolution.
Changing lines= a) mutation in 2d place (from soft to firm) and b) transformation in 4th place(from firm to soft)

Tendential Hexagram = 5 Waiting for nourishment

Subjective situation:
The consultant is pasionated interiorly, but friendly exteriorly. So, the consultant is in some kind of internal crisis. A change is needed to solve that interior conflict between what he/she feels and what he/she is doing. (maybe acting too friendly when you don't feel that way? or viceversa... want to act friendly but some feelings don't allow you to do that?)

Objective situation:
Conflict. It can't be solved by minor changes. A whole restructure is needed (to solve the situation or ended it; the consultant needs to analize which one apply to the concrete case)


So, to decide "talk AGAIN or not", you need to:
a) Clarify your inner feelings. What do you want?
b) Clarify if the situation can still be fix. In case it cann't, is useless to talk again; if it can be fix, you need clarify what mayor changes the situation needs to work.

Best wishes

 

[ichingclarity]

Thank you

 

[seethis]

If it was the other way around, it was acutally hexagram 50 with line 3 and 5 changing, leading to 6, contention