Hexagram 13 un

[becalm]

I need to go and see someone and pay to get some information that may give me some much needed peace of mind but as it's quite expensive I just want to make sure the information will help me.

How worthwhile is for me to consult with this person Hexagram 13 unchanging

This seems like a wonderful answer and that we will have quite a good connection that may well expand my life somewhat....That's interesting in itself because as this is a professional consultation I can't imagine we'd have much to do with each other after the exchange.

 

[Matali]

13 is positive for social interactions, it's always interesting to meet new people, to exchange on your work, to ask questions... If it was useless, I think you would have a negative line...

 

[Trojina]

I need to go and see someone and pay to get some information that may give me some much needed peace of mind but as it's quite expensive I just want to make sure the information will help me.

How worthwhile is for me to consult with this person Hexagram 13 unchanging

This seems like a wonderful answer and that we will have quite a good connection that may well expand my life somewhat....That's interesting in itself because as this is a professional consultation I can't imagine we'd have much to do with each other after the exchange.

I think 13uc can just point you out at community, the public, society, and so I wonder if the information you seek is actually in the public domain. That is I wonder if it is worth checking if you can get the information without paying to see someone privately.

13 doesn't especially have to indicate a good ongoing connection nor bad, it's people, everyone, and often when you get it your answer will be that it is there with you, in your everyday surroundings. It could be something you can get access to by using methods this person will use anyway. I mean 13 reminds me of the electoral register, things like that. If you are paying someone to find something out then you could simply use the resources he is going to use. So no don't rush to hand over your money is my view. Try and see if you can do the research or whatever it is yourself first.

 

[Freedda]

How worthwhile is for me to consult with this person Hexagram 13 unchanging

Richard Rutt's translation of 13 includes, 'Mustering men in the countryside. Offering. Favorable for fording a big river ....'

'Mustering' reminds me of bringing together people for a common purpose. And so it seems to be a favorable response. 'Offering' makes me wonder, is there something you can bring - to 'offer up' something that will make the outcome better? Hmm, maybe a willingness to be engaged with this other person? Or to see / feel clearly what they are sharing with you?

All the best, D

 

[rosada]

13. Fellowship with Men in The Open.
This hexagram describes connecting with people you don't know to further the common good. It's like marrying someone outside your family gene pool - new blood is a good thing. Unchanging however 13 can indicate that nothing comes of it. Like, you get a bunch of new ideas but do you do anything with them? If you decide to go for this consult I suggest you have a very specific list of what exact information you're coming for and be ready to do something with it.

 

[Matali]

I had 13 un for the worst connection with a human being ever.

it was the most horrible threatening false cunning disgusting pig I ever met.
But I hope you have a more positive outcome


13- discriminate who you belong with

I also had 13 un for an earthquake

Hello Olga, are you being assaulted by this person ? For the earthquake, 13 was perhaps a tip to join others, not to be alone?

 

[becalm]

Hello Olga, are you being assaulted by this person ? For the earthquake, 13 was perhaps a tip to join others, not to be alone?

I agree - as soon as I read her experiences I thought she’s interpreted the reading out of context.....

I decided against consulting this person because of some of these answers and because I knew if I was asking then it wasn’t right for me!! Just a gut feeling

 

[Freedda]

I decided against consulting this person because of some of these answers and because I knew if I was asking then it wasn’t right for me!! Just a gut feeling

Hello Becalm. Obviously, you're decision is your decision. But by way of observation:

You started this thread with your initial - or 'gut' response: "This seems like a wonderful answer and we will have quite a good connection that may well expand my life somewhat ...."

But you ended up with: "I decided against consulting this person" which is what we could refer to as your new, improved 'gut' reaction.

So, it made me wonder, did you just have time to reflect and get in touch with what we might call 'your gut - which lies below your gut/initial - reaction'? Or, is your 'gut' maybe influenced a tad (or even a lot) by what others say - which comes from a wide range of us bozos, whom might be right, or wrong, or ... (with the exception of my most excellent, perfect answer!) ?

You also said, '... if I was asking, then it wasn't right for me.'

Well maybe, but that also seems pre-determined and could be a cop-out, as in:

"Should I ask this person out? Hell no, because if I have to ask, the answer is obviously no! (When in fact the query / response might be about fear of rejection, ....) Or ....

"Should I take an art class? Obviously no, because if I had to ask in the first place ...." (When the query / response might be challenging your long-held beliefs about your ability to create ....)​

But whatever the reason, to just say 'if I had to ask in the first place... ' seems to defeat the purpose of consulting the Yijing in the first place.

But then again, what the heck do I know? All the best ....

 

[becalm]

Hello Becalm. Obviously, you're decision is your decision. But by way of observation:

You started this thread with your initial - or 'gut' response: "This seems like a wonderful answer and we will have quite a good connection that may well expand my life somewhat ...."

But you ended up with: "I decided against consulting this person" which is what we could refer to as your new, improved 'gut' reaction.

So, it made me wonder, did you just have time to reflect and get in touch with what we might call 'your gut - which lies below your gut/initial - reaction'? Or, is your 'gut' maybe influenced a tad (or even a lot) by what others say - which comes from a wide range of us bozos, whom might be right, or wrong, or ... (with the exception of my most excellent, perfect answer!) ?

You also said, '... if I was asking, then it wasn't right for me.'

Well maybe, but that also seems pre-determined and could be a cop-out, as in:

​

"Should I ask this person out? Hell no, because if I have to ask, the answer is obviously no! (When in fact the query / response might be about fear of rejection, ....) Or ....​

​

"Should I take an art class? Obviously no, because if I had to ask in the first place ...." (When the query / response might be challenging your long-held beliefs about your ability to create ....)​

But whatever the reason, to just say 'if I had to ask in the first place... ' seems to defeat the purpose of consulting the Yijing in the first place.

But then again, what the heck do I know? All the best ....

I was tossing the idea up for a week or so and had also spoken to others who'd used him asking if they really found the information he provided very useful - their answer was pretty neutral.

My intuition was saying it may be a waste of time to use him but my desires were pushing to outweigh my sensibility - hence my reason for using Yi.
The only interpretation I discounted was Olga's but felt even though there maybe a positive in going to see him it also doesn't feel it will be life changing or that the information will be enough of what I'm after and Hexagram 13 unchanging (to me) is a reflection of that.
Had it been really worthwhile to seek him out I may have got Hexagram 49 or 21.....

Hope that helps you to make sense!!

 

[Freedda]

I was tossing the idea up for a week or so and had also spoken to others who'd used him asking if they really found the information he provided very useful - their answer was pretty neutral ....

.... only interpretation I discounted was Olga's ....

Thanks. No worries. I was just tossing around some ideas. I imagine that this person is some kind of healer, or? I got the sense that it might have been beneficial to work with them, but you also have to be practical, especially if it's something that is expensive: are you getting the 'bang for your buck'?

As to Olga's response, I get the sense that she was relating here 'experiences' with getting that hexagram, which is different than investigating how the answer fits you, your situation and question. It's like me saying, 'I hate oranges.' That's not saying anything incorrect about my experience with oranges, but is it yours?

All the best ....

 

[Olga Super Star]

Hello Olga, are you being assaulted by this person ? For the earthquake, 13 was perhaps a tip to join others, not to be alone?

Hello

I am no longer in touch with this person. It was a cast about having him as a house mate. At the time it sounded promising. Or at least nice. Or at least not what it turned out to be: one of the most horrible people I met in my life.

The question about the earthquake was: What is this?, just one minute after it happened.
(I didnt get any damage, people a few km far did).

So 13 was the way Yi described an earthquake to me.
and actually that guy provoked an earthquake in the house, making the longest person to live there leave in two months. And creating chaos and damage, threatening both me and the elderly landlord until the landlord died.
he had connection in a very dangerous organized criminal association, and he and his family behaved as if they had guns with them. Not a nice person to live with. Constant threatening and fear.
Horrible horrible horrible.

Are you in Reading Circle?
If you join you will find many more experiences divided line by line!

 

[Olga Super Star]

I agree - as soon as I read her experiences I thought she’s interpreted the reading out of context.....

I didn’t interpret your reading at all, sorry if that didn’t look clear!
I just wanted to warn you that 13 un is not always as thrilling as it sounds.
That housemate of mine was dangerous.

But you have a different matter and not much danger can happen. You may as well go on.
It’s just that you sounded so sure about it being positive that I felt compelled to share my experience.

 

[Olga Super Star]

The only interpretation I discounted was Olga's

Well it’s not an interpretation at all, it’s my experience and therefore not subject to your or anyone’s opinion. It is just what it is.

In fact, if you have decided not to see that person, we can well say you have discounted everyone’s interpretation but mine

 

[Matali]

Moral of history: the community of Men of 13 has stopped at all of us? And it's Olga who comes closest to your decision You've even made money ! Very positive

 

[becalm]

Moral of history: the community of Men of 13 has stopped at all of us? And it's Olga who comes closest to your decision You've even made money ! Very positive

Actually that's not true - my comment about Olgas's interpretation was misunderstood by whoever felt the need to comment on it and I'm not going to try and explain what I meant because it means nothing to me and it's not relevant.

I understood Matali and Freedda's interpretations to mean that I certainly WOULD get something out of consulting him BUT I felt from those interpretations the consultation wouldn't satisfy me.
From Rosada and Trojinas interpretations I understood I certainly COULD get something out of consulting him BUT I felt from those interpretations the consultation wouldn't satisfy me.

I don't think it would be upsetting or anything like Olga's experiences.....

 

[Matali]

I understand... I was joking a little Everyone has his own feelings about what he is experiencing and the hexagrams ...