Hexagram 14 to 23

[Sonbat]

Hello everybody

I have recently been through hell in a relationship with a man. He always acted a bit different from what a normal person would do, never fulfilling his promises but always finding excuses that persuaded me.

I fell in love with him, was /I'm like under a spell. I fly when I am with him, i am the happiest person on earth, you know how it feels...

One day i discovered he had used my credit card in 4 different occasions without me knowing. He also took some good jewellery i had which i intended to melt to do a ring (had only one earring) and a chain i never wore.

I asked him to give me my money back and he said he would but took so long that i had to threaten him with calling his business partners and telling them which type of person he was. He's African living in Norway and could lose his resident permit if i went to the police. So i also threatend him with that.

Then I started stalking him on the media and trying to find out about his situation. He had told me that he was married but separated.

I got to talk to his wife. She told me he owed her a lot of money and that they were still living together. I became so confused. I didn't know who was / is lying.

He has now managed to persuade me to travel to Tanzania where he is now working. But from the day i bought the flight until today, things got Tennessee because he found out i har talked to his wife.

I know this is really stupid but i just wanted to spend some days with him in Tanzania and relax, even I know that i should just leave him, at least after the trip.

I asked the Iching: what if I travel to Tanzania? And got hexagram 14 changing to 23. I am a bit confused because 14 seems like good omens but 23 is quite negative. I kind of fear for my safety /money but still gonna travel. Im at the airport right now.

Any insights on why i got a positive and a negative hexagram together?
Thanks

 

[Sixth Relative]

Hi Sonia

Disintigration of Wealth is a pretty straightforward warning. The lines reinforce the warning. Be careful. Be safe.

(I would cancel the trip)

Wish you the best

 

[Sonbat]

Hi Sixth Relative and thanks for your answer. I was reading here that the 1st hexagram is the one that counts and in the ild times they didn't even read or create a second hexagram...?

 

[diamanda]

what if I travel to Tanzania? 14.1.2.3.4 > 23
No relation with harm, pack up and leave, one person offering a lot and the other doesn't do that, keeping possessions far away. Changing into collapsing, stripping away. Wealth being stripped away. It is a clearly bad omen.

You can choose to ignore the 2nd hexagram if you want, it's up to you. Some people do not take it into account. And a lot of people do take it into account.

 

[Sonbat]

Diamanda, What do you mean in the first paragraph? Does wealth being stripped away that he's gonna steal from me?

 

[diamanda]

Hi Sonia,

Sorry I can't make it any clearer than I already have, I said exactly what I meant.

The guy already stole from you twice, what's going to stop him to do it a third time? How can you go there to "relax"? Relaxing with a thief sounds like a bad idea.

 

[rosada]

14.1 For this trip to be successful you must avoid lies and deception.
14.2 So while it is possible to take this trip...
14.3 You should realize that you will probably have to cover the expenses. (Can you afford to do this?)
14.4 So don't be upset if you must go along with him calling all the shots, including spending your money.

23. The trip could give you an opportunity to strip away all the illusions and see what this relationship is really all about.

 

[moss elk]

Read both hexagrams.
They are both part of the reading.
Both are important.

Wealth ... Stripping away (or taken from)

 

[marybluesky]

Hello Sonia!

What if I travel to Tanzania? 14 to 23
You carry Treasures (14) with yourself, be it material possessions, your feeling for the guy, or much likely, both.
14.1: "Avoidance of the harmful brings no blame. Awareness of difficulty -- also no blame." If you are careful you can avoid the harm...
14.2: "Loading the big wagon. Undertaking without blame." So taking the airplane is no mistake.
14.3: " A prince offers it to the Son of Heaven. A petty man cannot do this." I'm not sure about this one; maybe a "prince" can offer you a heavenly trip, not an unworthy man- I suspect your guy is the latter.
14.4: "He distinguishes between himself and his friends. This brings no blame." Then you decide not to be generous to him anymore, and it leads you guys to Split Apart (23).
When four lines change I read the upper unchanging line too: 14.6 "One is blessed by heaven. Good fortune. Benefit in everything." The separation is beneficial to you. The travel seems to be a chance for you to see his true face.

Good luck.

 

[danadanadana]

On the subject of using both the main hexagram and the changing hexagram - sometimes the changing hexagram can be interpreted as the "outcome" but it can also be seen as the situation from which the main hexagram has arisen. So, the fact that he has already been stripped away, he has left and gone to Tanzania. So it could be interpreted that the plan to travel arises from hexagram 23 which speaks about his previous departure.
With Hexagram 14 as the main answer and with the changing lines you got, maybe visiting with him in a new place will allow him to show you a different side, and perhaps introduce you to his culture and friends. Travelers in a strange land should always be aware, but with open eyes, and if you keep an open mind you might be well received and have a surprisingly good time. Good luck!

 

[moss elk]

and it leads you guys to Split Apart (23).

23 has nothing at all to do with people separating.
23 is about the ones below taking from the one above. (and in line 5, and the image: The one above giving to the one below.)
The separating in the hex is a tearing down or think of a piece of wood that is splintering, shredding or a filet made from your arm.

 

[marybluesky]

23 has nothing at all to do with people separating.
23 is about the ones below taking from the one above. (and in line 5, and the image: The one above giving to the one below.)
The separating in the hex is a tearing down or think of a piece of wood that is splintering, shredding or a filet made from your arm.

In this case I can consider 23 as "the collapse" of relationship.

 

[diamanda]

23 has nothing at all to do with people separating.
23 is about the ones below taking from the one above. (and in line 5, and the image: The one above giving to the one below.)
The separating in the hex is a tearing down or think of a piece of wood that is splintering, shredding or a filet made from your arm.

Moss Elk, while I agree with your analysis, I disagree with "it has nothing at all to do with people separating". The hexagram speaks about stripping, the lines speak about a bed being destroyed, line 5 speaks of fish (a common I Ching theme to refer to sexual partners). So, although 23 can also be seen as tearing down and scraping away something in general, it can also be about stripping your clothes off, a sexual relationship (bed) being destroyed, and sexual partners.

 

[rosada]

Consider that 23. Splitting Apart or Collapse follows 22. Grace. 22.
Grace's image is of friends gathered around a campfire. It suggests a small light giving limited illumination and lots of friendly talk among friends, altogether a delightful vacation from reality. but eventually Monday comes...
23. bringing a Collapse of this utopian dream.

 

[moss elk]

Moss Elk, while I agree with your analysis, I disagree with "it has nothing at all to do with people separating". The hexagram speaks about stripping, the lines speak about a bed being destroyed, line 5 speaks of fish (a common I Ching theme to refer to sexual partners). So, although 23 can also be seen as tearing down and scraping away something in general, it can also be about stripping your clothes off, a sexual relationship (bed) being destroyed, and sexual partners.

Hi, I'm happy to discuss it.
Of course we know that any answer has to fit to the context of the question and the subject matter, and therefore any hex can refer to any thing. But because it can possibly refer to something, doesn't mean it does have that inherent meaning. 23 has no inherent meaning of people separating. I think we should always consider the inherent specifically stated things and themes, before we attempt to do any stretching to fit.
(because often we don't have to stretch it at all)

I feel confident that the 'stringline of fish" in this line 5 is not about sex.
It is about the generosity of the palace inhabitants.
(the wealthier ones giving to those below, "here have this string of fish")

the bed in line 4....
looks like a murder/crime scene.
The ones below are coming for the one in the bed to kill them, no? The bed is stripped to get at the flesh.
The stripping here is not unlike the stripping in the rest of the hex.

I also think that If we keep talking about sex, it may cloud the querants judgement in this matter.

 

[diamanda]

I also think that If we keep talking about sex here, it may cloud the querants judgement in this matter.
Don't you think?

I agree, we are digressing!

About the rest, I partly agree, partly disagree so let's just agree to disagree.

 

[moss elk]

About the rest, I partly agree, partly disagree so let's just agree to disagree.

I like when we partly agree, partly disagree.

It reminds me of something like this:

Did the fish swim in front of her eye to share her vision?
or did she sneak up behind the fish to do that?

 

[diamanda]

She placed the fish on her eye to get a better vision of where the string of fishes are located...?
Great pic by the way, so unusual.

 

[Sonbat]

Guys, thanks so much for your replies! Right now im having an amazing time. Will tell you more later. Still not sure about his intentions though. And we're actually going 50 - 50 with the expenses. Love y'all

 

[Sonbat]

Hey Moss Elk! I'm trying to reply with quote but it's not functioning. So I'll copy paste. What do you mean by this?:
"the bed in line 4....
looks like a murder/crime scene.
The ones below are coming for the one in the bed to kill them, no? The bed is stripped to get at the flesh.
The stripping here is not unlike the stripping in the rest of the hex. "

Not sure i understand that line

 

[Sonbat]

Hey Moss Elk! I'm trying to reply with quote but it's not functioning. So I'll copy paste. What do you mean by this?:
"the bed in line 4....
looks like a murder/crime scene.
The ones below are coming for the one in the bed to kill them, no? The bed is stripped to get at the flesh.
The stripping here is not unlike the stripping in the rest of the hex. "

Not sure i understand that line

 

[Sonbat]

So I came back from the trip last night. It was for sure intense. He took grat care of me and I stayed in hia hotel room and didnt pay for any nights or any meals at the hotel. Not even the picking up and driving to the airport which is quite far away. I jyat payed for some meals out the first days but nothing much. I think he doesn't pay for accomodation though, because he brings customers to that hotel, but I'm not sure.
I did see another face of him, and it was a good one, people in hia country/entourage seem to respect him a lot. He has told me he did screw up when he used my credit card, said sorry, paid all back. He said it happened when he used my laptop and due to the autofill but that im not sure about. Anyway he admits he did wrong and promises not to do it again. Of course now im super careful and all my cards are secured.
So not sure ifnwhat the iching predicted happened or not?
Just wanted to give an update. Its really difficult for me to let him go because i really like so many things about him and his lifestyle. We'll see what happens

 

[diamanda]

Glad to hear you've returned safe! The I Ching gave you advice to not trust him financially. In your other recent thread you said how he tried to get you into a "business" with him. You took the I Ching advice into account and you didn't enter in "business" with him. So the reading was true indeed (he tried a different trick to rob you) and also the reading protected you. Also glad to hear your cards are now secure (the autofill is a ridiculous excuse as you already feel). As about liking him, yes, fraudulent / exploitative people are usually super charming.

 

[becalm]

Indeed they are - I avoid Charmers now - used to suck me in too!