Hexagram 23: 1,2,3,4,5,6 to 43

[cellid]

Help! I'm new at the Iching. Need some help with this challenging reading. There's likely to be a job position opening soon for which I am very well qualified. However it is taking forever for the powers that be to post the position so that persons can apply. My question was "Is the position to be advertised soon?" The iching answered Hex 23 with all lines changing to 43. What can I make of this? Would appreciate your input. Thanks!

 

[sooo]

That's one heck of a first reading, with 6 change lines.

Since you're new to the IC, may I suggest in the future, asking questions other than yes/no, since the depth of the IC's answers generally are more involved than a simple yes or no answer.

I'm going to go on a limb and say that in this case I think 43 represents the listing/announcement of the position, and that 23 with all lines changing represents the stripping or eliminating the position, and possible cutting back father than that, if not dissolving the company altogether.

Sorry to sound gloomy, but that's how I interpret it. The only bright spot is that it could free you up to pursue loftier goals. It might also say that you receive good references, someone put in good words on your behalf (based on 43).

All this is speculation based on what I can piece together from your reading.

Though this is your first post, I hope you will follow up when you know more about your situation and this position, so we'll all benefit by understanding this reading better.

 

[cellid]

Hmmm..a complete breakdown of the company seems a long shot at this time. I guess time will tell. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[hopex]

it is to be hoped you cast the hexagram in the right way, because
as Sooo says all 6 lines changing is most unusual. Its whether the
reading refers to the company or yourself. It is usually referring to
the self.
23 - stripping would mean getting rid of the job altogether as an
in house position and going for a consultant /or someone from an
agency. Or you going self employed in this capacity. Do feed back
what actually happens. 43 is a decision/determination.

 

[patro]

to understand the meaning of 23-> 43... you simply need to see hex 23 as the past...
and now you're just in hex 43...
i think very soon.... so soon that you could miss it.

 

[hopex]

buon giorno patro - could the position be missed if the
enquirer has made their interest known? Is it that cellid
must be more proactive about getting it?

 

[patro]

dunno... difficult to say because you don't need to read the lines...
the reading is more as a taking the 23 as it is in a run... and then analyzing the 43 in all it's point.

 

[anemos]

My question was "Is the position to be advertised soon?" The iching answered Hex 23 with all lines changing to 43. What can I make of this? Would appreciate your input. Thanks!

I can't see a yes or no.

Hex 43 seems like the decision and 23 as the decision making process, getting to the core of the issue.
so, I conjecture, they still thinking about it.

 

[cellid]

1. Thanks for these amazing insights. And yes, it was cast correctly... Could the position be obscurely posted. I'd made the assumption that it was to be prominently posted. I could've been wrong and will take measures to seek it out. You are also quite correct that the position is to be that of an independent consultant chosen from inside and/or outside the establishment - very insightful!

2. A few questions: a) Do the lines mean anything in this instance? b) If so do they have equal weight?

3) On another note, I've read where Hexagram 23 is linked to Oct or Nov and Hex 43 to Apr/May. Could it mean that hex 23 is likely to happen in Oct and 43 in April? Your thoughts.

 

[sooo]

Hi Cellid,

First, so you know, there are several here with decades of working with the IC, and probably some have never or only very rarely gotten 6 changing lines. So there's a bit of gasping this reading creates. Part of this is also due to the nature of hex 23.

I do think the consultant link, from Hopex, is outstanding.

Anemos brought up the aspect of 23 which looks beneath the outer layer. This also links with consultancy work. If consultancy work is what your reading is about, you've received a valuable R&D tool within the 6 change lines. If you haven't already, you might give LiSe's 23 a good read, since you received all 6 lines. http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/hex_17-32/hex_e_23.htm You would do well to consider her 43, as well. http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/hex_33-48/hex_e_43.htm

About all those lines, different folks deal with it different ways. One way is to toss them all and focus primarily on the two hexagrams. Other ways designate a station or symbolic rank for each position, or (like mine), some are open ended, and just let each line speak its own story. Whatever works best for you.

Wishing you success in the field of your choice.

 

[hopex]

my feeling is that the Yi wants you to consider each line
individually - as the progression of lines builds up a story.
As you research the links it will take you through an
understanding of the situation resulting in the right decision
(43)
a bit of homework but worth it. My instinct is you will have
to put yourself forward in case it becomes a job for a friend
if you know what I mean, The Brisitsh BBC is notorious for
going through the motions of advertising a job for employment
law, but its a done deal as people work years in naff jobs to
get another one when it comes up - dead mans boots jobs.

polish up your act its anyones race right now me thinks
study each line 6 changing lines IS exceptional - only once
or twice in 30 yrs I think i have seen that

 

[Trojina]

Help! I'm new at the Iching. Need some help with this challenging reading. There's likely to be a job position opening soon for which I am very well qualified. However it is taking forever for the powers that be to post the position so that persons can apply. My question was "Is the position to be advertised soon?" The iching answered Hex 23 with all lines changing to 43. What can I make of this? Would appreciate your input. Thanks!

I haven't read any other responses here (so I don't know who I am repeating or contradicting) but to me this points to that particular postion being dropped, not advertised.

Could be an entirely new role is created ....but to me it doesn't look like the position you expect will come up

I could be eggy faced here so let us know. Seems like a kind of loud and clear answer to me

 

[cellid]

Hopex your hunches have been dead-on re the fact that the position is to be a new one and to be farmed out to a consultant. So you also think that that "arrangements" might be made behind the scenes...? I'll definitely be vigilant in this.

Thanks to all for the insights - so much more than I could have done on my own.

 

[hopex]

seems like you need to know what they have tweaked in the
position - there is something they are after that is not in the
current description - what might that be??

if you want the position you need to know what they are feeling
is lacking - take the HR gal guy out for lunch maybe??

 

[hopex]

i never saw anything behind the scenes but I am
guessing they have a specific skill set in mind for
whatever direction they are going in

accessing your own hidden knowing say in meditation
would be my guess as hexagrams can be personal to
ourselves

 

[hopex]

hee got it!! they have stripped away a lot of the job and you
need to consider whether you now want it!!!

 

[cellid]

Hopex, the job itself is about stripping away stuff to reveal the underbelly. On further reflection, a closer look at lines 1 -5 show the cleaning process and the office-political implications.

Seems to me now that the iching has ignored the original question about how soon and answered the process itself - a tearing apart of things to reveal the truth. That is the nature of the consultancy - tearing stuff apart. Anemos and Soo alluded to this in their posts.

I think its also advising that I also wear a politcal hat and not step on too many toes in the process but honor my heart and be tactful while telling truth. Good advice.

 

[hopex]

so there was lots in there - well done for sticking with it
all too often we hop to a new casting before considering the
answer given in full.
Though you asked about timescales - its not uncommon for the
Yi to answer what it thinks you most need to know
i have never seen hexagrams refer to months but then i learnt
that the Yi rarely goes very far forward or backward. The I
Ching is always dealing in imminent situations - i'd say week
max either side. As in your case here you got news pdq

 

[sooo]

Cellid, your feedback is appreciated. Very interesting to follow.

Hard to say how long the shelf life of a given answer is. Typically, I'd tend to agree with Hopex, that it's usually pretty short. But, the one 6 change lines reading I've received, took about a year to work through. Thing is, other applications arise as you go, and they relate, even if you don't realize it at the time. If you wind up becoming a chinghead, I'll bet this first reading will always remain significant to you. Fwiw, I think you have a good mindset for it. I think the Yi could be invaluable to consultancy work, since that's the line of work it's in. lol

 

[anemos]

Thanks for giving us feedback Cellid, especially for such a reading.

On further reflection, a closer look at lines 1 -5 show the cleaning process and the office-political implications.

May I ask, if possible of course, how those lines describe the elements of this situation ? Its a very interesting example of 6 changing lines reading , an useful case study.

Btw, my very first reading had 6 changing lines too (2>1) it remained open for a long time, part because of the nature of the question. I know it sounds funny, but it "closed" almost 3 years after the day I asked with many "Aha !" moments in the midtime.

 

[anemos]

I'm not sure about the statement that Yi doesn't give a date when we ask a "when...?" question. I avoid such questions cuz haven't the background to "read" them but when I asked once and with simple means found a date , that proved to be correct , I just remain open.

 

[hopex]

actually i must agree with sooo and anemos - it takes a time to
see how things pan out, I am just sure I read what i wrote in
the early days. My most abiding memory was getting 24 when
i split up with a boyfriend and I said to Ching now way. He
knocked on the door that very moment. This has been interesting
to follow and indeed it is useful to see it applied to business and
work. I have learnt something here and the contributions of
everyone has shown how to get a better grasp of the meaning
than one would alone. Bravo newbie

 

[cellid]

Thanks all for your insights. Promise to update if or when things pan out. Just one clarification. I am a newbie to the iching but this was not my first throw.