Hit the fan 60>3

[becalm]

I’ve had a number of problems in my new job and haven’t received the support required mainly because the person they’ve hired for that position is inexperienced and incompetent. Tomorrow I have a meeting with said person and her superior because last Friday I spoke up and said how frustrating it’s been trying to get support from her accurately and in a timely manner.
What do I need to know about the meeting?...... 60.2>3
Yes Hexagram 3 this has definitely been a difficult beginning to my job.
Line 2 looks like things need to come out of the ‘courtyard’ and spoken about. Resolution?

 

[foxx777]

I’ve had a number of problems in my new job and haven’t received the support required mainly because the person they’ve hired for that position is inexperienced and incompetent. Tomorrow I have a meeting with said person and her superior because last Friday I spoke up and said how frustrating it’s been trying to get support from her accurately and in a timely manner.
What do I need to know about the meeting?...... 60.2>3
Yes Hexagram 3 this has definitely been a difficult beginning to my job.
Line 2 looks like things need to come out of the ‘courtyard’ and spoken about. Resolution?

From Berker translation:

60. Limitation
Line 2:
Not going beyond the gate of the yard.
Misfortune.

Limiting oneself too much, and by that missing opportunities.

Not certain if this applies to you or them. In any case I would certainly speak my mind.

From DeKorne:
(I would definitely make certain not to miss the opportunity to clear the air, and set expectations, immediately)

Line-2

Cleary (1): Not going outside bodes ill. [Holding fast to petty regulations is a great loss.]

Blofeld: Misfortune because he neglects to take advantage of an opportunity now presenting itself. [The implication is that it would be wrong to hold back now.]

Legge: The second line, dynamic, shows its subject not quitting the courtyard inside his gate. There will be evil.

Wilhelm/Baynes: Not going out of the door and courtyard brings misfortune.

Blofeld: He goes not forth from the inner gates and courtyards of his home -- misfortune!

Liu: One does not go out the gate and courtyard. Misfortune. [Generally, this line bodes good fortune for action and misfortune for inaction.]

Ritsema/Karcher: Not issuing-forth-from the gate chambers. Pitfall.

Shaughnessy: Not going out of gate or courtyard; inauspicious.



Wu: He does not go beyond his courtyard. Foreboding.

 

[becalm]

Not certain if this applies to you or them. In any case I would certainly speak my mind.

From DeKorne:
(I would definitely make certain not to miss the opportunity to clear the air, and set expectations, immediately)

Line-2
Cleary (1): Not going outside bodes ill. [Holding fast to petty regulations is a great loss.]

I have every intention of speaking up and telling them about my expectations because from this I’ve learnt one needs to do that or you end up perpetually in job disatsfaction.
I suspect it’s the petty regulations that’s brought us to this point so let’s hope they’re interested in improving the quality of the work place by improving the mindfulness of their workers.
I hope I’m not being unrealistic because I’m certainly not being unreasonable.

 

[foxx777]

Not certain if this applies to you or them. In any case I would certainly speak my mind.

From DeKorne:
(I would definitely make certain not to miss the opportunity to clear the air, and set expectations, immediately)

Line-2
Cleary (1): Not going outside bodes ill. [Holding fast to petty regulations is a great loss.]

I have every intention of speaking up and telling them about my expectations because from this I’ve learnt one needs to do that or you end up perpetually in job disatsfaction.
I suspect it’s the petty regulations that’s brought us to this point so let’s hope they’re interested in improving the quality of the work place by improving the mindfulness of their workers.
I hope I’m not being unrealistic because I’m certainly not being unreasonable.

No, you’re not being unreasonable. Good luck, and keep us posted!

 

[becalm]

Thanks it went okay I’m sure they just managed me and took the time to remind me I’m still on a probation period!! Not that I want to change jobs but I do have one lined up if it all falls down which makes it easier to be confident in my stance without fear I’ll become unemployed again.

 

[rosada]

Interesting that they made a point of mentioning you are still on probation, as in saying you are a beginner and 3. is of course Difficulty at The Beginning. And what is the difficulty that inevitably comes up at every beginning? I think it’s the eternal struggle to know who leads (hex 1) and who is to unquestioningly follow (hex 2). So perhaps your meeting today was all about establishing whether you were allowed to lead or if you should only follow. Interesting 60.2 didn’t counsel you to be patient, but encouraged you to speak up - perhaps because this issue needed to be raised to be resolved. (Or at least so you would get to see how the big bosses play their games)

 

[becalm]

Thanks Rosada as Difficult as this situation has been it’s helped me grow and learn immensely! The Difficulty in The Beginning, so I found out today, is that there’s been a huge change in staff and other dynamics and I walked straight into the beginning of it. I think they’re at fault for NOT mentioning it to me at the interview then a) I could have made an informed decision whether I wanted that in a job or b) taken the job understanding what was going on and a lot of this hoo ha could have been avoided.
They tried to tell me today they’ve got their ‘pulse’ on it and inside I just rolled my eyes at that!!
So yes we will see...at the moment the job is take or leave it to me but I’ll give it another month.

So back to the reading - I'd look at it now as Line 2 - Speaking up can potentially take them out of the 'courtyard' of the Limitations that got created with the Difficult Beginnings (Teething Problems).

The way I'm starting to learn to look at life now as a 'mature aged' person - I just see everyone and every situation as a Vessel for me to move both Spiritually and Earthly forward. The person or the situation that is the Vessel isn't important it's what I can take and learn from them.

 

[rosada]

Yes, I too am getting more and more philosophical. My attitude is I want to learn the I Ching in this lifetime and so I guess I have to experience every line. Sometimes the lines/ experiences require a lot of time and build up and some times it's very brief. So anyway, now you can check 60.2-3 off your bucket list.
Although wait a minute. 60.2 doesn't lead to 3.
60.2 leads to 18.
???

 

[becalm]

Although wait a minute. 60.2 doesn't lead to 3.
60.2 leads to 18.

 

[becalm]

Even if it did lead to 18 it works as it’s the Corruption that’s part of this bigger picture too.

 

[Trojina]

60.2 does change to 3 - no diagram needed just draw it.

Actually the page you showed does say 60>3 but doesn't show the change line any way there is no doubt 60.2 changes to 3

 

[foxx777]

60.2 does change to 3 - no diagram needed just draw it.

Actually the page you showed does say 60>3 but doesn't show the change line any way there is no doubt 60.2 changes to 3

It shows the changed line and commentary.

 

[Trojina]

I meant the change line is not marked, you know on the actual hexagram there is no 'O' on line 2.

So he writes 'line 2' but hasn't marked it on the hexagram as is the norm when a line is changing

….any way all irrelevant because 60.2 changes to 3 it's not debatable

Anyway whatever his page shows we don't need to find the relating hexagram by looking it up just draw it on paper.

 

[foxx777]

I meant the change line is not marked, you know on the actual hexagram there is no 'O' on line 2.

So he writes 'line 2' but hasn't marked it on the hexagram as is the norm when a line is changing

….any way all irrelevant because 60.2 changes to 3 it's not debatable

Anyway whatever his page shows we don't need to find the relating hexagram by looking it up just draw it on paper.

Yes, I understand.

 

[rosada]

Oh sorry! I was doing this in my head and was confusing 60. Limitation with 52. Keeping Still.

 

[becalm]

Oops and it doesn't matter, it made me think about the Corruption connected to it all too!!

 

[rosada]

Curious isn’t it how sometimes we’ll get a line and everything turns out exactly as the line predicts, and then later we find out we were reading the wrong line...?

 

[becalm]

Yes that's what I was thinking after your 'mistake' but didn't know how to word it as well as you just did. I think sometimes Yi just can't show us ALL the dynamics at times, maybe just the most important to us in the present moment we're asking.