I asked the I Ching who it was

[simon ian]

Yesterday, my last question was

"Respectfully, who are you?"

I got 10 with these changes

_____________
_____________
_____0_______
_____ _______
_____x_______
_____0_______

Making 59


____________
____________
____ _______
_____ ______
____________
_____ ______

This is how I saw it. 10 is the I Ching of itself, and all that 10 entails. 59 is me, now interconnected with the I Ching, and all that that entails. It seems to be saying great expansion, liberation, solace, justice. My spiritual "house" will now be re ordered.

Any comments, or if I am just plain wrong, please put me right.

 

[simon ian]

I also thanked "it" for its guidance. "Thank you respectfully for your advice" I used the honourific master at the end.

I got 11.4 changing to 34

 

[pocossin]

There appears to be a mistake in drawing the hexagrams. If the first hexagram is 10 with lines 1, 2, and 4 changing, then this should give hexagram 20. That is, 10.2 is a yang line that changes to a yin line in 20.


☰ ☴
☱ ☷


In often used notation: 10.1.2.4 > 20

But as drawn, the first hexagram appears to be 25. Please help.

 

[simon ian]

There appears to be a mistake in drawing the hexagrams. If the first hexagram is 10 with lines 1, 2, and 4 changing, then this should give hexagram 20. That is, 10.2 is a yang line that changes to a yin line in 20.


☰ ☴
☱ ☷


In often used notation: 10.1.2.4 > 20

But as drawn, the first hexagram appears to be 25. Please help.

ok.

line 1 turned into _ _ L2 turned into ___ L4 turned into __ __

Maybe I am have difficulty expressing a changing hexagram. there seems to be no way of expressing a changed hex so I am basically trying to communicate the hex before the lines change.
I know of no other way of expressing it.

I am trying the say the first hex is based on the unmodified changes. It was 10.

 

[bamboo]

line 2 in hex 10 cannot change into _________ because line 2 already is _________.
line 2 changes into ______ ______. and thus hex 10. 1.2.4 changes into hex 20:bows:

 

[bamboo]

wait something wrong with reading...the changing lines denoted by x and o....line 1 and 2 should either both be x or both be o....they are both yang lines

 

[bamboo]

it looks like, based on your orignal drawing , that you got hex 59 changing into 25

 

[simon ian]

it looks like, based on your orignal drawing , that you got hex 59 changing into 25

I think I am having problems with interpreting changing hexes.

I use at the mo the 3 coin method.

These were my cast results. bottom line first. I am using the method given by Hilarys beginning to cast advice, here.
3H
3T
2H 1T
3H
2T 1H
2T 1H

I make that hexagram 10.

That then changes to become 59, with the modifiers given.

 

[maremaria]

These were my cast results. bottom line first. I am using the method given by Hilarys beginning to cast advice, here.
3H
3T
2H 1T
3H
2T 1H
2T 1H

?

Simon, if the above is correct then your reading is 26.3.5.6 > 60

3H yang changing ____o____
3T yin changing ------x------
2H 1T yin ------ -----
3H yang changing ____o____
2T 1H yang _________
2T 1H yang __________

 

[simon ian]

Simon, if the above is correct then your reading is 26.3.5.6 > 60

3H yang changing ____o____
3T yin changing ------x------
2H 1T yin ------ -----
3H yang changing ____o____
2T 1H yang _________
2T 1H yang __________

Thats right, except you have it upside down.

 

[maremaria]

l 6 3H yang changing ____o____
l 5 3T yin changing ------x------
l 4 2H 1T yin ------ -----
l 3 3H yang changing ____o____
l 2 2T 1H yang _________
l 1 2T 1H yang __________


sorry, you said bottom line first so I assumed your first line is 2T 1H , no ?

 

[simon ian]

Its this.
________ 2T 1H
________ 2T 1H
________ 3H
___ ____ 2H 1T
________ 3T
________ 3H

 

[pocossin]

Its this.
________ 2T 1H
________ 2T 1H
________ 3H
___ ____ 2H 1T
________ 3T
________ 3H

2T 1H young yang
2T 1H young yang
3H old yang
2H 1T young yin
3T old yin
3H old yang

or

yang
yang
yang
yin
yin
yang

That's hexagram 25 with lines 1, 2, and 4 changing. The casting looks like this:


☰ ☴
☳ ☵


And may be expressed as 25.1.2.4 > 59. Your drawing of the first hexagram is correct, only you mislabeled it.

Agreed?

 

[simon ian]

I dont see where you get 25 pocossin. Only the 3rd line is broken before change, and it does lead to 59 we agree on that. Also we agree on the lines of change. 1,2,4. I just dont see 25 I see 10.
I dont see where you get the second broken line to make 25.
I rechecked a few times. I originally cast 10.

Thank you for your patience. You have been very helpful. I now see that the changed lines are important to the reading and how they impact on the new hex. Much to learn, only broke the "code" yesterday.

 

[pocossin]

I dont see where you get the second broken line to make 25.

Your second line is "________ 3T". 3T is old yin, so the line should be drawn as a yin line, yes? And the hexagram is number 25.

 

[simon ian]

So are you saying that ______X______ should be written as ____ ______ and ________0________
should be written as ______________ when you get a hex with changing lines to identify it? THEN you make the adjustments to give you the new, changed hex? This is vital information.
If this is what you mean then I understand.

 

[pocossin]

In the X and 0 notation, ______X______ is old yin, a yin line that changes to yang. In the first hexagram it is yin, in the second yang.

________0________ is old yang, a yang line that changes to yin. In the first hexagram it is yang, in the second yin. OK?

You are refreshing my memory. My practice is to write down both lines directly without using X and 0 notation. I shouldn't be doing that because if I make a mistake, I couldn't catch it. I'm going to go back to writing down T and H as you did.

 

[simon ian]

Ithink we are using different terms to say the same thing.
I will cast another question tomorrow and run the mechanics of how I arrive at the different hexagram(s) by you tomorrow, if thats ok, to see if you agree. Then any problems can be identified.

Thank you.

 

[pocossin]

Ithink we are using different terms to say the same thing.
I will cast another question tomorrow and run the mechanics of how I arrive at the different hexagram(s) by you tomorrow, if thats ok, to see if you agree. Then any problems can be identified.

Sure, but there are better minds than mine to consult

 

[simon ian]

Sure, but there are better minds than mine to consult

Only you, bamboo and maremaria helped me. :bows:

Its very much appreciated

 

[bamboo]

anytime you get 3 heads or three tails, it is a changing line. if you get hex 10 then the second line was not 3 tails. if it was 3 tails, you get 25.

 

[maremaria]

simon, Check this site.

its an interesting one and the link I post here, its a good way to check your calculations.

http://www.eclecticenergies.com/iching/realcoins.php

Hope it helps

Maria.

 

[simon ian]

Thank you all for your kind help.

Maria that link is brilliant! Its a great little tool to double check castings, and it helped me when I have re run old readings.
It was obviously 25. Strange I was persistantly blind to an error in my calcs. Odd.

Peace

 

[pocossin]

Strange I was persistantly blind to an error in my calcs. Odd.

What the mind hids from you may have special significance. Could there be an issue with Wu Wang?

 

[simon ian]

P, what is Wu Wang?

 

[pocossin]

It's the name of hexagram 25.

 

[simon ian]

Ahh. Thank you. Now I will look at this hexagram.
Can they do that? They sound almost like automomous entities, the hexes. So they have behaviour?
To influence of themselves?
I am interested in Shaminism and am studying Kabbalah.
All of these aspects are really about direct communication with those between heaven and Earth.
Are these all the same entities?

 

[pocossin]

Can they do that? They sound almost like automomous entities, the hexes. So they have behaviour?
To influence of themselves?

In my opinion the hexagrams unconsciously influence those who study them.

 

[simon ian]

You are a great help :bows:

 

[pocossin]

You are a great help

You are welcome, but not everyone appreciates my help