I don't like 43...

[plupp]

Hello again,

This morning I asked the Yi why I, so far, didn't get any responses on my profile on the internet (on a dating site) and I got 43 becoming 45.

I don't like 43 but 45 seem to be positive. When reading about 43 and 45 I can't in any way see how this apply to my question!

Is it that one has to have a real vivid imagination in order to understand the Yi? How on earth do people get out all that is written on the hexagrams? Myself I understand less and less but in some strange way I continue to ask...

 

[willowfox]

I remember that you were warned not to put your profile on line but nevermind now.

This says that in the beginning you have to accept the fact that you are going to have to be patient, you really want to go but this says that you won't be able to. Also, you have to be aware that not many people are going to be interested in your profile, so you must accept this and understand why no one is responding.

 

[plupp]

Yes, I was "warned", however some interpretations said I should...in any case I already did it when I received your "warning" so now I guess I have to stick with the consequences. The answer you are giving me is "a matter of fact answer". For the moment I don't receive answers - it's a fact, however I asked WHY. Why is my profile not interesting? I am good looking and the text I put is a good one so why?

Anyway, thanks for answering, Willfox.

 

[willowfox]

The answer is your profile, obviously something about you, men are looking at your profile and making a quick judgement, something about you must be unappealing to them.

 

[plupp]

Anyone else has a different interpretation? I mean just so I don't have to stick with being "unappealing" . Can't believe the Yi is telling me this? Is Hexagram 45 about being unappealing? Honestly, I have less and less confident in all this. But I am taking it from the bright side, it's almost fun thinking that the Yi is finding something about me "unappealing".

 

[maremaria]

Hi,

Which are the changing lines ?

Maria

 

[plupp]

Hex 43 with Changing lines 1, 2 and 3 becoming 45

 

[Sparhawk]

Anyone else has a different interpretation? I mean just so I don't have to stick with being "unappealing" .

I rest my case, about "shared readings"...

 

[Trojina]

Er just a thought but were you very specific about the kind of person you wanted. Just thinking 43 gives a sense of clear cut thinking/decisiveness which here could be you being so specific about what you want either no one fits or they're intimidated by your demands of what they must be like, if you get me


Of course if you are very good looking they might be scared off - its a problem many of us have especially Luis.

 

[plupp]

Couldn't care less
I thought this was a forum where people could contribute with different interpretations.
The interpretation I already got is just as useful and helping as if somebody told you "you don't meet a man because you are ugly" and I can't believe that is the way the Yi is answering you. But as we say in Swedish: the one who asks stupid questions gets stupid answers, meaning I should never have asked for interpretations knowing that Willofox already think that I will never meet a man but that I will remain single forever so by consequence her/his interpretations regarding that is already set in stone.
How terrible! If I have learned one thing by sticking out my nose is that always have confident in your own believes and feelings. I do not want anymore of these negative predictions! Can't see at all how it's useful to know things like this.

 

[plupp]

Er just a thought but were you very specific about the kind of person you wanted. Just thinking 43 gives a sense of clear cut thinking/decisiveness which here could be you being so specific about what you want either no one fits or they're intimidated by your demands of what they must be like, if you get me


Of course if you are very good looking they might be scared off - its a problem many of us have especially Luis.

thanks trojan
my angry answer not directed to you.
I know what you are talking about being too specific, thanks for that input (it's what I call useful input).

 

[Trojina]

Eh who are you annoyed at ?

Hmmm but anyway I think when someone said your profile must be 'unappealing' they didn't mean you, but the way the profile presented you. Perhaps due to the reasons I gave above.

 

[Trojina]

Oh must have crossed posts.

 

[luz]

Plupp,

Relax. Nobody said you are ugly or that you will never find anybody to like you. Not at all.

Luis made a joke because he doesn't like relationship questions. You are right, many people have different interpretations. I think it's valid to ask for other opinions, people do it all the time.

The fact remains that nobody has contacted you so everybody will try to work from there. Willowfox only said that you are not 'attractive' in your profile. That doesn't mean you are ugly. Much less that you will never find anybody. Trojan simply expanded on the concept and gave suggestions as to why you might not be attracting potential suitors. I think hers is a very valid suggestion. Very often women can come across as very 'particular' or 'picky' and that will probably scare away a few insecure men who don't think they can live up to such high standards.

What kind of relationship you are looking for is also a good question. Maybe you come across as wanting too much too soon and most people go there for more casual relationships.

In any case, don't take any of this too seriously. Not the jokes, not the earnest attempts to help you with interpretation. And good luck.

 

[plupp]

Thank you angel of light

 

[willowfox]

The answer is your profile, obviously something about you, men are looking at your profile and making a quick judgement, something about you must be unappealing to them.

Please read carefully, I mentioned your profile two times, I said nothing untoward about your physical attributes.

The IC cannot tell you exactly what you are doing wrong in this case, but one can only assume that your profile is to blame, as what else is there, nothing.

Read line 43.3 carefully and then think again about what I said previously. Fates a funny old thing, don't you think.

 

[Sparhawk]

Ahem, did you mention being Swedish in your profile??


Can, anyone, seriously expect only positive predictions from the Yi, or any other oracle? The reason I said what I said is because posting readings and asking for interpretations (as many as other people are willing to provide) with the hope that some of them are positive and appealing and therefore they must be the correct ones, is right down delusional. I agree with you in that, thinking like this, oracles are completely useless.

Mind you, I don't even know or care what others have interpreted about what came up in your reading. As Lightangel mentioned, I don't get into those. What I care is about the wrong premise of picking and choosing the interpretations that are most amenable to the subject, only because they are the most "positive sounding" ones.

 

[willowfox]

I do not want anymore of these negative predictions!

Okay, we all know that no one is responding and that seems negative to me, but can you put a positive spin on your answer as to why all those eligible men are not responding because it seems none of us can?

 

[plupp]

Please read carefully, I mentioned your profile two times, I said nothing untoward about your physical attributes.

The IC cannot tell you exactly what you are doing wrong in this case, but one can only assume that your profile is to blame, as what else is there, nothing.

Read line 43.3 carefully and then think again about what I said previously. Fates a funny old thing, don't you think.

No I don't think fate is a funny old thing and I don't think 43.3 is saying that it is my fate to be alone. I wonder how you can seriously think such a thing! It's pure madness!
I think line 3 is telling me that in the process of becoming oneself one has do do it alone so I should not count on help with that by meeting a person via internet. I know that you think it's my fate to remain alone so please you do not have to repeat that.

 

[plupp]

Okay, we all know that no one is responding and that seems negative to me, but can you put a positive spin on your answer as to why all those eligible men are not responding because it seems none of us can?

A positive spin would be to ask the Yi what I can do to improve my profile as it has told me that it's unappealing. You seem to think that I should just accept fate, do nothing and just belive that things are cast in stone. What do you know about fate? I mean are you God or what????

 

[plupp]

Ahem, did you mention being Swedish in your profile??


Can, anyone, seriously expect only positive predictions from the Yi, or any other oracle? The reason I said what I said is because posting readings and asking for interpretations (as many as other people are willing to provide) with the hope that some of them are positive and appealing and therefore they must be the correct ones, is right down delusional. I agree with you in that, thinking like this, oracles are completely useless.

Mind you, I don't even know or care what others have interpreted about what came up in your reading. As Lightangel mentioned, I don't get into those. What I care is about the wrong premise of picking and choosing the interpretations that are most amenable to the subject, only because they are the most "positive sounding" ones.

I am choosing the interpretations that are in line with what I am feeling and thinking myself. When I was told in this forum that no reconsilation was on the agenda between me & my ex I accepted it because it's what I beleive inside myself. However, when I am told that it's my fate to remain alone I just can't buy that. No one can tell such a thing. So saying a thing like this is completely useless and negative. To say that my profile is unappealling ok fair enough as I don't get any answers but then the next question should be well, what can I do about that to improve things.

 

[fkegan]

Hex 43.1,2,3>>hex 45

Hi plupp,
As a bit of an interlude to the other voices: The line structure of hexagram 43 with 5 Yang lines and only the 6th line place of the transition to the Next being open Yin indicates a powerful process though without any focus upon what comes next. The three moving lines are in the bottom three places only indicating that the prior situation, the structure you have developed for yourself, and the personal passion are expressing and exhausting themselves--however, nothing is happening or even being noticed in the final line place where things move on from the current situation to the next.

This would suggest the problem is not in your attractiveness or the Yi oracle, but in your lack of focus upon or interest in letting go of your prior relationship situation and moving on to the next relationship opportunity. Men are not responding to your online profile because somehow it strongly implies to them that you are not interested in their response or perhaps any response would maybe be more used to make your ex jealous so he comes back to you rather than your moving on to a new relationship.

Perhaps that also explains why you are having such a tough time with the posts to this thread, they involve folks not doing what you expect of them, which is always a source of suffering (2nd Noble Truth of the Buddha).

Frank

 

[meng]

A profile proclaims "This is me!" and that is exactly what 43 also does. LiSe aptly calls it The Speaking Staff http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/hex_33-48/hex_e_43.htm . If you read her translation and comments for the lines, perhaps your reading's meaning will become clearer to you.

45 has to do with gathering toward a central figure or force, which in this case is you. The objective is to create a staff/voice/profile which draws to you those you are also attracted to.

Your answer seems entirely pragmatic, and leaves it entirely up to you what you wish to do about your situation.

 

[plupp]

Hej Frank,
This make a lot of sense and I can see you are a doctor in psychology (if I am not wrong) and this gives you valuable knowledge of the human mind that you can successfully mix with the Yi oracle. Your interpretation is helpful and yes, I lack focus and I am struggling with letting a prior relationship situation go as the guy is litterally under my skin although it's soon 9 years since we had a relationship. I can very well believe this is, somehow felt, by other men. But I don't think that my x is going to be jealous if I had a relationship, in fact I had 4 relationships since him and he is not aware of any of them as we are not having much contact. I guess I have some kind of hang up with him for various psychological reasons. I am constantly working on my "liberation" and readiness for a fulfilling relationship and I will get there some day.
I am grateful for the time and effort you took to help me on the way.

 

[plupp]

A profile proclaims "This is me!" and that is exactly what 43 also does. LiSe aptly calls it The Speaking Staff http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/hex_33-48/hex_e_43.htm . If you read her translation and comments for the lines, perhaps your reading's meaning will become clearer to you.

45 has to do with gathering toward a central figure or force, which in this case is you. The objective is to create a staff/voice/profile which draws to you those you are also attracted to.

Your answer seems entirely pragmatic, and leaves it entirely up to you what you wish to do about your situation.

Thanks God for these commons sense answers! This gives me something creative to work with. Many thanks. With Franks and this interpretation I have a much clearer picture. Helpful was also the post earlier today suggesting that my profile was maybe too restrictive.

 

[fkegan]

plupp,
quick note, the comments about looking for new relationships to make your ex jealous is not at all about your actual ex, but about your continued connection to him, keeping him or letting him get under your skin. One may choose to find a new relationship partner who you feel would or should make ex jealous even if ex knows nothing about it at all.
Also, if you still have an ex under your skin after 9 years and four new relationships perhaps you might consider asking the Yi about that before worrying about why you latest Internet dating profile isn't bringing you responses yet.
Frank

 

[ben_s]

Plupp, before looking at my interpretation (or anyone else's) of 43.1,2,3>45... what is your interpretation?

 

[shefa]

Someone once said the purpose of a brick wall is to help us understand what is really important to us. I hope you will consider the "negative" comments you received here as gifts, for they have helped you to see what is really important to you. If you want a relationship, and you want to seek it online, then you should go for that. None of the comments you received here affect who you are. Who you are comes from within.

 

[maremaria]

Sometime ago, here I asked for the opinion of others about a reading I had. One person spent a lot of time and effort to give me an interpretation. What that person wrote was not what actually my reading was about. Reading that, I was saying, no, no, no it is not that. Maybe it was a useless contribution but on the other hand from the foggy thoughts I had in my mind, it helped me to exclude what my reading was not about.
Directly she didn’t help me, but that answer help me a lot to find mine. And just for that reason I felt obligated to say thank you.

Sometimes Yi has spoken to me in very tender and warm way; some others it has give me a painful slap. Its has talk to me about me “beauty” and my “ugliness” . the fist make me feel good, the later to become better. Both are welcome and after the sock from Yi’s slap, I feel that I ought to say “thank you”.

 

[plupp]

plupp,
quick note, the comments about looking for new relationships to make your ex jealous is not at all about your actual ex, but about your continued connection to him, keeping him or letting him get under your skin. One may choose to find a new relationship partner who you feel would or should make ex jealous even if ex knows nothing about it at all.
Also, if you still have an ex under your skin after 9 years and four new relationships perhaps you might consider asking the Yi about that before worrying about why you latest Internet dating profile isn't bringing you responses yet.

Agree, I have often during these years wondered how one man can have such an impact as he had (have?) on me. I have spent many, many hours in my psychotherapy trying to figure out why and I think I have the answer from a psychological point of view. Now, life and the human mind & body are so complex so the psychological side of it is probably only one side of the issue, however, there are limits of how deep one can go and when it comes to my feeling towards this guy I have just accepted that this is how it is and I am trying to continue my life the very best I can. This being said, if course I am tempted to hear the Yi's point of view, it's only that that I have been doing that so many times (asking about these guy) and I always get the feeling the Yi is telling me that there is a chance for us to be together again which from a realistic point of view seems totally impossible. If I could get help with an interpretation on this issue I would probably go for it but doing it on my own is too risky as I am afraid that I will fall into wishful thinking.

I have to say that all these posts have been very helpful to me.
I do thanks each and everyone:bows: