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Hi everyone! My name is Sofia and I’ m experiencing what I’ m pretty sure is inverted kundalini… PURE HELL!!! What can I do?? I’ ve spent 4 years like this! And I’ m just 24! If I don ‘ t find a solution.. I have to die. I hope someone can help me to understand what to do .. I feel upside down .. with my head super heavy, that needs to stay on the floor .
 

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This is a forum for sharing I Ching readings but you haven't posted one?

Unless you do have a reading I'll move this to the Open Space section of the forum.

Do you have a reading?
 

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Oh sorry I didn’t know how the website worked ! Yes please, move it to the right section. Thank you!
 

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Hi everyone! My name is Sofia and I’ m experiencing what I’ m pretty sure is inverted kundalini… PURE HELL!!! What can I do?? I’ ve spent 4 years like this! And I’ m just 24! If I don ‘ t find a solution.. I have to die. I hope someone can help me to understand what to do .. I feel upside down .. with my head super heavy, that needs to stay on the floor .
Hi Sofia, sorry to hear that you're having difficulties.

You might like to consider getting in touch with the Spiritual Emergence Network, which is a forum to connect people with psychologists, psychiatrists and other metal health professionals who are sympathetic to the idea that people's spiritual emergencies should be treated seriously, on their own terms, rather than as (exclusively) a medical/psychiatric issue. It's been running since the 1980s, has a good reputation, and is backed by people with solid credentials.

I remember listening to a podcast with one of the founders, Christina Grof, a clinical psychologist. I remember her talking specifically about "kundalini crises," which she said was quite a common sub-category of the type of crisis that they referred people for. I remember she said she experienced some kind of extended kundalini crisis herself, which was what actually inspired her to establish the network. So it might be a good match with you. I had the privilege of doing a workshop with her husband once, Stanislav Grof, and I had a good friend, a psychologist in Indonesia who set up the first real drug rehab clinic here, who worked with them both for well over a decade. All very solid people.

If you're based in the US, check out this site:

http://www.spiritualemergence.org/

SEN provides individuals that are experiencing psychospiritual difficulties a specialized mental health referral and support service. In a culture which has not understood issues surrounding spiritual development, the gift of being heard and understood by a knowledgeable and supportive listener can be life-altering. Our referrals are licensed and/or trained mental health care professionals who are preferably in your area (but many also work by phone or encrypted video) who have expertise with many specific psychospiritual issues.

SEN offers its referral services and directory listings free of charge!

Much of our transpersonal (psychospiritual) directory is online for self-referral.

If you're based somewhere else, they are also affiliated with a similar international network, SEN International:

https://www.spiritualemergencenetwork.org/

If you think it's a match, contact them and see what they have to offer. Tell them as much as you can about what you're experiencing, they may be able to find someone with expertise in that particular area.

Decades ago, I knew quite a few people involved in what I can only call "Extreme Meditation," and I certainly saw people suffer from extremely painful, disturbing kundalini crises, sometimes with tragic results. So I certainly feel sympathetic to your situation.
 
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You can take three coins, count the heads for 3 and tails for 2.
Throw these three coins six times and write the results up here.
The throws will either result in 6 or 7 or 8 or 9.
(An example: 8,8,6,7,8,7 etc.)
If I'm lucky to be around here when you have posted the result I'll try to explain it from there.
 

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(Housekeeping: Sofia arrived at starting this thread after she read this one, and - I imagine - recognized herself in it. https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/index.php?threads/remedy-for-reverse-kundalini.16753/ )
*** NOTE: this linked thread is a decade old - not current - the person who posted it hasn't visited Clarity in years. I linked to it here only for background and context, because it's what spurred Sofia to post this one.

I should have said that in the first place, so for instance Irfan wouldn't have wasted his time following the link and replying. Sorry about that, Irfan.

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Sofia, as Surnevs is suggesting, it might help actually to ask Yi about this. If you do, and want to post the reading here, we'd be happy to move this thread back to Shared Readings :biggrin: .

Are you new to the I Ching? Or just new to Clarity (this website)? If by chance you're new to Yi, Hilary has a splendid free Beginner's Course here:

Best to start from the first lesson, but for reference the module on casting is here. https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/learn/beginners/casting-a-hexagram-with-3-coins/

Hilary also made a nifty video on casting:
 
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(Housekeeping: Sofia arrived at starting this thread after she read this one, and - I imagine - recognized herself in it. https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/index.php?threads/remedy-for-reverse-kundalini.16753/ )
Yes, Irfan just spent time replying to that 9 year old thread presumably in the belief that it was a current thread. The author of that thread has not been here for 7 years!

If one has to make a comment on a thread nearly a decade old it is helpful at least to say "I know this is a very old thread and the OP has not been here for a decade but I want to make a comment....." or whatever, then at least people are aware it's an old thread.

I've seen people waste time replying to a 12 year old thread because someone came along and just added 'wow' to the thread and so bought it to the top and 3 people then waste time answering a non current thread.

Hi everyone! My name is Sofia and I’ m experiencing what I’ m pretty sure is inverted kundalini… PURE HELL!!! What can I do?? I’ ve spent 4 years like this! And I’ m just 24! If I don ‘ t find a solution.. I have to die. I hope someone can help me to understand what to do .. I feel upside down .. with my head super heavy, that needs to stay on the fl
Unlike others I do not recommend you consult the I Ching on this. If you are saturated to the point of severe mental illness through excessive meditation and such the last thing you need, IMO, is to be consulting oracles since you're back into that realm of the inner/spiritual and so on when on you'd be better to start focusing very much on your physical well being and doing mundane earthly things to bring you back to earth. Cooking, eating, gardening ....anything that has nothing at all to do with advancing spiritually and all that. I'm not saying these things have no spiritual significance but you aren't doing that 'over charging' thing that can happen with excessive meditation and such.

Someone told me it's like overcharging a battery, excessive meditation that is. You have energy pouring in but it needs to be balanced with action. Many years ago I made the mistake of meditating a great deal and consulting Yi a great deal and got into quite neurotic state. Even then I realised the balance to that was putting the Oracle away and reducing meditation greatly and focusing on the dull mundane tasks of life in which in fact a good deal of help and stability was to be found. I'm not saying I had reverse kundalini but my crown chakra was certainly up to something.

Also you don't know if this is reverse kundalini you may have a physical condition affecting your sense of balance or something so perhaps you need to see a Dr. Who is to say whether you have reverse kundalini or not. Who would ever know? It seems to me once a person has convinced themselves they have reverse kundalini that could work against them and they could hold closely to that as a cause for the way they feel when it is isn't the cause at all.
 
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Yes, Irfan just spent time replying to that 9 year old thread presumably in the belief that it was a current thread. The author of that thread has not been here for 7 years!
Yes, he did! Well, I enjoyed the opportunity to read up on the Grofs and their spiritual emergency network, so no harm done. And I hope that the information I gave about them may prove of value to someone, perhaps.
Unlike others I do not recommend you consult the I Ching. If you are saturated to the point of severe mental illness through excessive meditation and such the last thing you need, IMO, is to be consulting oracles since you're back into that realm of the inner/spiritual and so on when on you'd be better to start focusing very much on your physical well being and doing mundane earthly things to bring you back to earth. Cooking, eating, gardening ....anything that has nothing at all to do with advancing spiritually and all that. I'm not saying these things have no spiritual significance but you aren't doing that 'over charging' thing that can happen with excessive meditation and such.
Yes, I agree. I read a very good book by a woman talking about clients coming to tell her about disturbed lower energy chakras and expecting her to provide some mantra or ceremony to fix it. She said she was more likely to recommend going for long walks, paying attention to feeding yourself, grooming, earning a living, all those sorts of things to do with basic survival and being in the world. Grounding. Playing with cat, going outdoors.

But that sort of stuff works with more minor disturbances. From what I've seen, full on kundalini crises are a bit beyond that kind of remedy. They can be agonizing and traumatic, kind of like a bad acid trip that goes on for weeks or months. And they may need some kind of intervention. And it's not that easy finding the right person for it.

Sophie, I'm not at all sure that anyone on this forum is really going to be able to give you good answers. Maybe there are some individuals here who are coincidentally I Ching users and experts in subtle energy disturbances, but I wouldn't count on it. I don't say that to discourage you, just so that you stay realistic about what you'll get here. I can only reiterate what I've said in earlier posts about trying to find the right resources.
 

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Ugh, sorry, especially to you, Irfan. Everyone is correct, I should have made clear it was an old thread when I linked to it. The reason I did was because it's what brought Sofia to post this one, so it's background for anyone replying to Sofia here.

I've edited my housekeeping comment up above, so hopefully no one else is misled - again, apologies, Irfan.
 

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Now I'm a bit confused,

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Sofias98 joined on October 16' 2022. This thread is from yesterday at 12:13 AM.
An old thread ???
 

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She posted in the early hours of the 16th October which was basically just after midnight on the 16th. Today is the 17th. I can't see what is confusing other than it was almost Saturday night when she posted, just after midnight on Saturday.
An old thread ???
Why do you think it's an old thread?

She joined on the 16th and she posted on the 16th
 
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She posted in the early hours of the 16th October which was basically just after midnight on the 16th. Today is the 17th. I can't see what is confusing other than it was almost Saturday night when she posted, just after midnight on Saturday.

Why do you think it's an old thread?

She joined on the 16th and she posted on the 16th
😂😂
I also am confused, why are people saying it’s an old thread when she posted yesterday? Several messages in the thread are worrying about the fact that a post is nine years old… are we talking about a different thread, a different post or have we slipped into a space between parallel universes… 🪐🤔

not to worry, all good fun ☺️
 

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Oh dear.....to figure this out you need to back to Liselle's link in post 6.

Liselle was saying this person in this thread asked due to that post linked to in post 6. The post linked to in post 6 here was from 2013 and has caused confusion as it always does when people tack comments onto old threads. So to understand follow the link in post 6.

So in the old 2013 thread, which Sofia tacked a comment onto is the old thread not this one. Having tacked her comment onto the old thread which is linked to in post 6, she then started this one.

I don't find it fun

I very clearly explained and linked in post 7 too. If you followed the link you'd know what the old thread was. Look at the date of the thread linked to it is 2013.
 

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She posted in the early hours of the 16th October which was basically just after midnight on the 16th. Today is the 17th. I can't see what is confusing other than it was almost Saturday night when she posted, just after midnight on Saturday.

Why do you think it's an old thread?

She joined on the 16th and she posted on the 16th
On #7 I read: "
Liselle said:
(Housekeeping: Sofia arrived at starting this thread after she read this one, and - I imagine - recognized herself in it. https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/index.php?threads/remedy-for-reverse-kundalini.16753/ )
Yes, Irfan just spent time replying to that 9 year old thread presumably in the belief that it was a current thread. The author of that thread has not been here for 7 years! ......."

And on #4 IrfanK answered this thread, not a 9-year-old thread.

But OK then. Just please forget my confusion.
 

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Irfan replied on this thread and the 2013 thread linked to

I didn't know what you meant when you said you were confused...didn't realise you were referring to the 9 year old thread. If you read the thread and follow links as given by Liselle and look at the date of the thread linked to by Liselle it should make sense. I explain in post 13.

To add to the confusion you have quoted me but not put the quote in quotation marks.

Here we are since you can't see the link here it is again



Go there look at the date of the first post, it's 2013, Irfan answered today after Sofia replied there, after 9 years, making the thread look current when it wasn't.
 
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Am communicating badly today, sorry, everyone. I should have made my post #9 more clear and not assume people would also see the edit to post 6.

Thank you, Trojina, for straightening it out.
 

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Having never heard of this condition before, I asked the IC
What are the symptoms of an Inversed Kundalini?
28.2.3.6 > 12.
Something about being overloaded, maybe over stimulated, taking in more than one can process resulting in a feeling of disconnection?

Is the confusion we've experienced here on these disconnected threads an example?
 
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Having never heard of this condition before, I asked the IC
What are the symptoms of an Inversed Kundalini?
28.2.3.6 > 12.
Something about being overloaded, maybe over stimulated, taking in more than one can process resulting in a feeling of disconnection?

Is the confusion we've experienced here on these disconnected threads an example?
28 doesn't sound like a bad image for it, without going down to the levels of the lines. People who do kundalini meditation deliberately try to make energy flow through their energy centers, usually trying to make it rise to their crown and then ... well, I'm not really sure what the ultimate goal is. Moksha. Liberation. Great powers. Something like that. But if the paths between the centers aren't open and functional, the energy gets "stuck" and pools up and does weird things that cause pain, discomfort and dysfunction. Something like that, anyway. So I guess the sagging ridgepole is about right. All that powerful energy in the central lines, but weakly propped up at the ends. Not grounded, no solid foundations.

Actually, while I've often heard the expression "kundalini crisis," I've never heard this one about "inversed" kundalini. I had a quick look around, and there didn't seem to be a lot on it. A few Reddit and Quora posts. In fact, this thread was on the first page of the google search.
 

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Since there's some discussion of Rosada's reading, I moved the thread back to Shared Readings.
 

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Having never heard of this condition before, I asked the IC
What are the symptoms of an Inversed Kundalini?
28.2.3.6 > 12.
Something about being overloaded, maybe over stimulated, taking in more than one can process resulting in a feeling of disconnection?

Is the confusion we've experienced here on these disconnected threads an example?
I've been following these inversed kundalini threads recently and curious about if it would be accurate to describe an experience I underwent several years ago, as some people online say a survival crisis can release the kundalini when one is entirely unprepared/chakras are still blocked. at the time I had past life regressions, was communicating with spirits in dreams, had a dream of a coiled snake in my abodomen that wanted to come up through my body and was terrified....hm. in the end I asked whatever guides were around me to please "cut the channel" bc it was too much to handle responsibly, my actions were becoming harmful.

anyways these threads reminded me of a pertinent video: this therapist provides in depth spiritual sessions to famous male musicians in his community. In this session with rapper Joey Bada$$, they dive into the loss of Joey's friend who took his own life after going through too rapid a spiritual awakening.

the Therapist discusses how spiritual awareness also leads to awareness of the cruelty/disconnection of the world, and loss of energetic boundaries and needs heart-centered human connection to keep the spiritual seeker grounded.
 
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The inner trigram of hexagram 28 is xun, wind or wood. It represents inner nature: both its sensitivity and intuition (wind and roots feel their way into everything) and its capacity for growth and development.

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And on the outside is dui, the lake, which has to do with social exchange and interaction. As water is to plants, so society is to human growth and development (‘without nurturance, it is not possible to act!’) –

– unless, until, there is too much of it. Just like an over-watered pot plant, a tree with its roots below the water level for too long will drown. (Funnily enough, willows – as in 28.2.5 – are one of the most water-tolerant species. Where other species could die within a week, they can survive for months in winter with their roots underwater and still put out new flowers and shoots in spring.)

‘The lake submerges the tree. Great Exceeding.
A noble one stands alone without fear,
Withdraws from the time without sadness.’

Too much water drowns the tree; too much society will drown individual growth, or intuition, or initiative. Society is a force for stability and continuity, all of us according with the culture of our ‘time’. Hexagram 28 is a time for individual initiative, and so the noble one will withdraw from the time without sadness.

In this article by Hilary, the question to ask with 28 is "what ridgepole?"
perhaps here the ridgepole is the physical/energetic body.
but I wonder if the "too much"ness is really too much energy. the outer trigram of lake could suggest it is too much society, interaction with the current state of the world, without enough grounding to understand one's rooted invidual place in it all.

She also goes into how 28 is a tipping point of change for the 27 structure of nourishment...something's gotta give.
then there is the danger of falling into the abyss of 29, the deep waters.

Rosada's reading feels very rich. getting into and having fun with the lines:

28.2>31 A withered poplar tree grows shoots. An old man gets a real woman as wife. Nothing that does not bear fruit.
hmm. 31 suggests being open/vulnerable to influence
28.3>47The ridgepole is sagging. Pitfall.
negative thoughts or limiting beliefs are dangerous, confining this fresh energy.
28.6>44 Crossing at the wading place and drowning. Pitfall. Without fault.
getting in over one's head with a powerful 44 force, but without fault, for a spiritual purpose (meeting and learning to recognize one's own power and intense energies)

with 12 as the background...one could interpret that the symptoms of sickness aren't from the kundalini energy (the stream) directly but the obstructions in the energy body. OR that there is a blockage that "has to go" leading one to the 28 state of spiritual collapse in the first place.

if the "inverted" spinal energy is getting stuck in the head these could be mental blockages preventing acceptance of the spiritual reality. too much societal programming?
 

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Yoga, reiki, Bach florals, someone to talk to - a hollistic therapist.
 

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I think it would be better to stay away from all those things - why invite more of the same? You don't want ot get out of your depth with one spiritual practice and then add in a load more. Better to put it all down if possible I'd think.

The starter of this thread hasn't been back to comment on replies anyway
 

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