Life review, bullying and karma 9.1.2>53

[Solare]

Hello Clarity Community,
I have read that when someone bullies you that they are taking 'bad' karmic baggage away from you, onto themselves. I know this is just one opinion and i dont know where to look for proof of spiritual matters. With the political climate in the united states right now, where if you disagree with one side you are considered foolish at best and sometimes labeled immoral.

I try to keep to my own concerns which makes me feel isolated but i guess my choice is to believe ignorance is bliss, while also considering that i should worry about things now to avoid future complications.
I was curious what the i ching would say if i asked for a picture of how i have led my life, where i stand karmically especially as it relates to bullying, because many people think that staying out of arguments is selfish, and by not taking kne side or the other, i dont have the protection that comes with agreeing with one side or the other.

My exact question is...
When have i actually bullied someone?
(To gain a better understanding of my habits)
Answer 9.1.2>53
My thoughts are small taming...clouds with no rain, that i have had thoughts of it but no action. That i have nurtured people in their varying beliefs and opinions by allowing them to express to me unfettered, and my offering no argument.

Line 1 returning to your own path, how could you be wrong? Good fortune.
This is how i feel, everyone has their own pah ans there are many paths to enlightenment, to peace, to both gathering and separation. Keeping to my own business, how could i be wrong? This is my mission and no one has ever stood in this body, this life, these circumstances...only me, and everyone is like that too. We can be in similar circumstances and of similar temperament but the solutions are unique.

Line 2 drawn back, returning. Good fortune
I have kept my mouth shut and my ears open. I return to my own business when it is time to do so.

53 Gradual Progress
Theres a lot here. Hilary says 'the woman waits for the man to act'...i would express my opinion if asked directly or offered an opportunity, but it just seems like discussions are "are you with us or against us", and if i am with you, we are friends and that is that, no discussion, and if i am against, then we are enemies and that is that. It is very black and white and whomever can yell the loudest and push you down is the winner.

Maybe by not taking sides i give others permission to bully me.

What does this mean to you, if you asked the same question about how you have conducted your life and gotten this answer? Do you think i am taking it out of context to comfort myself and using i ching improperly?

 

[Hans_K]

Hi Solare,

I have read that when someone bullies you that they are taking 'bad' karmic baggage away from you, onto themselves.

Personally, I find the above nonsense, it seems to me it is trying to justify something that is wrong by giving it a spiritual twist so that suddenly it is something good. Bullying is just wrong, plain and simple.


My interpretation would be as follows.
Hex 9 is trigram Wind/Wood over Heaven.
Trigram Heaven turns into Mountain due to the moving lines at 1st and 2nd position.
Trigram Heaven with 2 moving lines is about being focused only on oneself, only on what I want, what I desire: My will is law!. Trigram Mountain advises to put an end to that attitude. Trigram Mountain is also the trigram of self-confidence and self-esteem
The upper trigram Wind/Wood is about spreading, influence and the long-term.

When only the 1st line changes you get H57 Influencce.
When only the 2nd line changes you get H37 Family/The Clan, the hexagram that deals with one's place in a group of people.
So this shows that the attitude of 'my will is law' (bullying) is used to influence the group in order to secure one's place in the group.

This may seem contrary to what the text of the lines says, but when you take the text of the Judgement:

...
Thus the superior person
Cultivates his graceful virtues.

then you can see from the texts of lines 1 and 2 that superior person has deviated from the Way, meaning cultivating graceful virtues and is advised to return to that instead of what he was doing.

H53 is the hexagram of developments that take time, it is Wind/Wood over Mountain. A healthy self-esteem ( Mountain) that is spreading, that makes its impact felt (Wind/Wood).
So without moving lines, you can see H9 <> H53 as gradual development by making small adjustments step by step.

This would be my interpretation of your answer. As always, take what resonates and leave the rest

 

[dobro p]

My exact question is...
When have i actually bullied someone?


What does this mean to you, if you asked the same question about how you have conducted your life and gotten this answer? Do you think i am taking it out of context to comfort myself and using i ching improperly?

I think, rather than ask the I Ching this question, you should ask yourself. I'm pretty sure that a person knows when they bully someone. Unless perhaps if they're sociopathic (in which case they probably won't be consulting the Yi) lol.

But maybe reframe the question. If I suspected that I'd been a bully and wanted the Yi to comment, I'd ask something like: 'What do I need to know about bullying others?'

 

[rosada]

I think you can get a useful insight by applying 9.1.2 - 53 to that question:
Q: What do I need to know about bullying others?
A: 9.1.2 - 53 Bullying others can be avoided by staying in your own lane and keeping your eyes focused on your own goals.
(Not sure I believe that but I think it’s a defendable interpretation.)

 

[moss elk]

Hi Solare,

Personally, I find the above nonsense,

It's worse, it's dangerous nonsense.

Expanding that logic: would mean that a murderer is the highest Sage.

 

[moss elk]

because many people think that staying out of arguments is selfish, and by not taking kne side or the other, i dont have the protection that comes with agreeing with one side or the other.

Do not care about what many people think, because many people are stupid and/or narrowminded or misled.

59.4 talks about this kind of situation.

When both 'sides' are wrong,
Do not choose a side.
And thereby claim the (or retain your innate) high ground.

Anyone that tries to 'make you' join,
Is no better than a criminal gang member. The weakest humans with the weakest minds amongst us join such.

One can stand alone,
and that is true strength.

 

[Solare]

What a marvelous experience posting here!

Hans-yes i agree it is nonsense. I tried to understand it from the perspective of comforting the bullied person, so that they dont become bitter, so that bullying becomes ineffective and extinct at some point in time due to it having no power. There are still problems with my thinking there though. I love everything you said though its more of a feeling and deep understanding that i would have with you in a living breathing conversation. I appreciate your terpretation. I am especially touched by hex 9>53 without changing lines and visualize riding a unicycle, every second of balance maintained by millions of tiny tiny adjustments rather than a static activity.

Dobro- i asked that question after you gave me the idea and reciever hex. 7 unchanging. Yes, i would be filled with grief if i knew i had bullied someone. As far as i know i have a reputation of being soft and easygoing, i get along with many types of people. And as far as discipline, i have high standards for my conduct...i would rather take a hit than ever deliver one. I do esteem myself for being able to take the punches and remain cool, but have wondered if my lack of emotion about being pummeled is psychopathic, or truly non-contending?

Rosada- i think staying in my own lane is a part of not bullying. I have scolded myself for not being more generous at times and have made an honest attempt to be more so. There have been times where i have made comments of empathy for one group and met with incredulous admonishment by the opposing team so i have a tendency to feel that and think ive just made a hurt.

Moss Elk- yes, the way you expand that logic is absolutely pertinent. Your second post feels like exactly what i would want to say to someone in my position, and very succinct. I envision a ruby laying amidst gray rocks on a beach, or the story of the ugly duckling who turns out to be a swan. I dont want to think i am more valuable or atteactive than the others, because that thinking can lead to huge ego problems if i would let it get out of hand. But it is comforting to know i have value, and as long as i remain modest about that on the outside, i can cherish the inner pearl.

Thank you so much everyone. I look forward to posting more and maybe even offering interpretations as i learn more.

 

[dobro p]

What a marvelous experience posting here!

That was my impression as well. You posted just before midnight my time and got four extremely well-considered responses the next morning. lol

Dobro- i asked that question after you gave me the idea and reciever hex. 7 unchanging. Yes, i would be filled with grief if i knew i had bullied someone. As far as i know i have a reputation of being soft and easygoing, i get along with many types of people. And as far as discipline, i have high standards for my conduct...i would rather take a hit than ever deliver one. I do esteem myself for being able to take the punches and remain cool...

Yup, that's what you esteem yourself for. Good to know.

re: Hex 7 That fits like a glove when you see bullying in terms of 7. 7's the force of a mass. What's the mass in bullying? Or think of it this way: What kind of army does the bully have behind him? What kind of army for the bullied?

... but have wondered if my lack of emotion about being pummeled is psychopathic, or truly non-contending?

I think you're too aware of your image to be psychopathic. You can describe it articulately, which is why I think you're aware of it. But I don't know you. The usual disclaimers apply.

Thank you so much everyone. I look forward to posting more and maybe even offering interpretations as i learn more.

That part's fun.

 

[Solare]

Just an update... its important that i treat myself as a friend. Theres a situation at work where i have been keeping cool about getting pummeled. I realized that makes the other person think im cool with that. It happened today and i flashed a glance that said "enough", it wasnt threatening or angry, just totally disinterested. They turned red and slinked away, and have been acting very meek which is totally out of character for them. And i have been my usual cool self about it. Normally i would never even dream of posturing like that and i had no idea i could have an effect anyway. But i guess there is power in standing up for yourself if you are innocent and right. Words may have started a war, but one look shut them down. I can esteem myself for staying cool under pressure, and for making it clear im not a punching bag.