Nothing furthers...and Wings

[beithe]

Hi everyone,
Would someone please tell me if "Nothing furthers..." is also a way of saying "no changes" at this time. Or is it that doing anything at this time will not bring changes or may make things worse? Somehow it just sounds negative and depressing.

Is the "Great Man" the wise man or wisdom itself embodied in the YiJing? I know historically it probably applied tothe King...does it ever apply to a person with in the situation? Or only Judges, Kings, and those with authority?

And finally and most importantly...
I have a copy of Wilhelm (Baynes and Boardman) it is different from Hillary's ebook. I prefer the ebook. I purchased Huang's translation and Dennings both of which are on the recommended beginner list here at Clarity. Some have mentioned that Huang left out Wings 8 and 10. I actually enjoy this trans. it has also been mentioned that some of the lines are wrong? But I took the recommendation at the bookshelf and I am not at this point able to know if something is missing or not. Which leads me to Wings.

Would someone please explain in laymans terms what they are and how you differentiate them from the Judgement, Confucian statements, Wen's thoughts. Where exactly are they? And how do you know that some have been left out in other trans? I guess what I am asking are they numbered? Labeled in some way? Are they just entire the Hexagram reading from Judgement through the changing line sentences?

Maybe I am making this too difficult but it is important to me that I have an understanding of these things. I know I am tired of trying to count ten of anything. I never do anything by half measures total immersion is my forte...

You have all been so helpful.
beithe

 

[bradford]

Hi everyone,
Would someone please tell me if "Nothing furthers..." is also a way of saying "no changes" at this time. Or is it that doing anything at this time will not bring changes or may make things worse? Somehow it just sounds negative and depressing.

This is one of Wilhem's translations of "wu you li", also "nothing that would further" and "nothing serves to further". The phrase is used many times.
Wu is nothing or not
You is a direction or puropse
Li is a return on an investent of time and energy, specifically a harvest

One way to render it more literally than Wilhelm is "not a rewarding direction to go in"
or "not a direction with merit". It's advice to take a diferent path than the one the Yi has just described.

 

[beithe]

This is one of Wilhem's translations of "wu you li", also "nothing that would further" and "nothing serves to further". The phrase is used many times.
Wu is nothing or not
You is a direction or puropse
Li is a return on an investent of time and energy, specifically a harvest

One way to render it more literally than Wilhelm is "not a rewarding direction to go in"
or "not a direction with merit". It's advice to take a diferent path than the one the Yi has just described.

Hi Bradford
If this is the case, to take a different path, what is the best way of forming another question based on the first? My original question was "What should my path be in this situation?" My thought as, while asking it was, in order to have a positive outcome.

So...what the IC is indicating is that for my time and energy at this point there would be no harvesting of my purpose? So it is best to do nothing...to not act. I hadn't put my hex in either because I was considering only the phrase "nothing furthers" it was
23.2.3.5.>57.
Thank you for your thoughts
beithe

 

[bradford]

Hi Bradford
If this is the case, to take a different path, what is the best way of forming another question based on the first? My original question was "What should my path be in this situation?" My thought as, while asking it was, in order to have a positive outcome.

My approach doesn't see the Yi texts as predictions, except maybe as predictions of a choice you may have to make soon, or a mental tool you may be calld upon to use. As such, every line to me represents a choice and the "not a direction with merit" only refers to the path portrayed negatively by the Yi. When the Yi says that doing a certain thing leads to misfortune there is always implied a choice to not do that thing. So take the path opposite the one that leads to bad results. That should answer your question in the terms it was given.

 

[dobro p]

Amen. Word.