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35 is 'Progress' and 12 is 'Standstill'.
For this particular situation, it strikes me that the status quo is standstill and it would be very nice to think that there would be some positive progress in the near future! So this interpretation is back to front from how I normally read things.
Could anyone clarify this for me please - ie how to interpret the 'order' of the two hexagrams?
Thank you very much
Ann
Please bear in mind that according to some experts the second hexagram originally wasn't used
Please bear in mind that according to some experts the second hexagram originally wasn't used;
So, when there are a lot of changing lines, I just ignore them and focus on the primary and relating hexagram, as an aid to simpler interpretation.
That was not my intention, I just wanted to show that working with the second hexagram is an option, not a must. Everyone can choose his own path in this, as Willowfox shows:I think you've changed the way I do things.
willowfox said:I see it as part and parcel of one's answer, so it needs to be taken into account or at least thought about.
Instead of ignoring the issue or pretending that one way is better than the other, I Ching books ought to map out the major interpretation strategies in the 'How To' section of the book. If I put something like that in a Yi that I was having published, I'd also add the instruction: "Pick one of these strategies and then stick to it. That way YOU know how to interpret and the Yi knows how you're going to interpret."
Question: what does count as a necessity for you? What are the bare bones of a reading without which you wouldn't feel as if you'd read the answer at all?
I don't know what I do. That is, there is no system. I'm looking for an answer. A lot of times it's very obvious, even right in front of my nose. So there's no need then to go rummaging around in attics and basements for that answer. But if I don't get it, then I'll dig around some more: hmm, the relating gua, this line, that line, the relationships of components, the fan yao... the reading I got about this last time. Under the bed isn't the first place I'd look for lost keys, but I'd look there eventually.
The relating hexagram is a result of changing lines right - so whats the point of changing lines if they don't change into anything. What you'd have is a dead end hexagram, the lines looked like they were changing but had nowhere to go,lol
Question: what does count as a necessity for you? What are the bare bones of a reading without which you wouldn't feel as if you'd read the answer at all?
(Things I couldn't do without, assuming there are lines changing: two hexagrams, all the changing lines. Things that fill in the framework but aren't really 'bone' in the same way: trigrams/ Image, Sequence, Pairs, zhi gua for each line, nuclear hexagrams, line pathways...)
The relating hexagram is a result of changing lines right - so whats the point of changing lines if they don't change into anything.
What you'd have is a dead end hexagram, the lines looked like they were changing but had nowhere to go,lol
Its beyond me why anyone would feel relief at not using the relating hexagram - if its that much of a burden why consult at all ?
Personally I mostly need my secondary hex so I'm keeping it.
Okay, I understand that people are different and therefore they'll have different approaches and no one approach is right. And I understand that this oracle business is fun, and it's important not to impinge on somebody's good time. But even if I honor people's fun and freedom to choose their own approach, I think it's still a valid point that all those 'tools' you described can in some cases be nothing more than mechanical props and aids to a lazy approach to interpreting, cuz real interpreting is actually often hard work.
Yes Luis, but I can sort of disprove what you're saying as being true all the time by referring to my own interpreting which I do on this site: I often take about one minute to read a question in this forum and then about one minute to apply my knowledge of the Yi to an interpretation. There's very little work involved, and it's always 'easy'. Sometimes it's inspired, but sometimes I think it's just a mechanical application of my knowledge of the Yi's symbols to the situation being enquired about. Maybe sometimes those snapshot interpretations of mine are accurate, or maybe sometimes they're just mechanical and lazy. See what I mean?
Or... (are you sitting down?) it just might make interpretation a really mechanical exercise that uses little or no intuition at all, a really mechanical application of concepts that you know already and which does no work of 'reaching upstairs', a really mechanical approach that actually doesn't invite the wisdom of the soul or higher mind but shuts it out.
Yes, I think if the answer is not immediately clear and you try to milk the cow with all those tools you are on thin ice. I rarely do that. No milk in the first seconds, then OK, no milk, forget it!
But that's maybe partly because I'm not a serious user of the Yi. Blush.
Nope, it means you cow is useless!! Have a BBQ with it and invite friends. I'll bring the wine...
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