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martin said:So if - let's say - Peter uses me as a projection screen and sees his father in me and I'm exposed to this projecting repeatedly over time I might start to feel an overwhelming and unexplainable adoration for Peter? Is that what you are saying?
I don't remember that something like that has ever happened to me. If it had happened I would remember it because I never repress or censor anything. Hey, come on!
So this can only mean that nobody projects things on me, at least not repeatedly over a longer period of time. Which is fine, I don't like to be a screen.
So, if I may ask, what do you project on divination and diviners?
martin said:... But apart from that, yes, projection is an important topic. I think a course that covers projection, introjection and the like should be part of our basic education, like learning how to read, write and calculate. With more understanding of such mechanisms our relationships would be less confusing, we would have less conflicts and probably also less wars. Because people do project repressed material on others and then - unaware of what happens - attack the projection screen.
lightofreason said:But in passive transference there is no 'repression' going on. A simple act of 'looking like X' can cause transference of the emotions associated with X onto someone and, over time, that someone will start to resonate the emotion - outside of their initial awareness/control. The emotion will 'sneak up' on you. This can span weeks/months of expose to the look, even for 5-10 minutes a day for only a few days of the week etc.
martin said:The problem in that case is introjection. The receiver introjects the transfered emotion and then it becomes an 'alien body' (Fremdkorper in German) in his system.
If this introjecting happens a lot it may indicate that the receiver is more or less out of touch with his own emotions. Because if you are in touch you will usually notice it if you pick up an alien emotion.
martin said:You notice the discontinuity (suddenly you feel nervous with no apparent reason, for instance)
lightofreason said:a Lite version ... we are dealing here more with overwhelming emotions that 'take over' consciousness, demanding 'discharge' in the form of some history, some serial expression etc. This gets into passion overall and so covers issues of grief and well as agape etc. where there is a lack of reason in that the emotion demand discharge and yet our consciousness cannot find a 'best fit' interpretation at first (or for some, never, and so the emotion hangs around and influences life from then on)
martin said:I think, based on my own experience and working with others, that the best way to deal with such emotions is to feel them. Of course this can be far from easy in some cases and tools may be needed to make it easier, but ultimately there is perhaps no other way. It seems that the emotions have to be experienced to be 'digested'.
lightofreason said:LOL! I think you may be missing the intensity of the emotions I am covering here in that the issue is on them being felt!
lightofreason said:If we relate this to death and mourning, we cannot take 40 days off of our lives to deal with some transferred emotion!
martin said:As soon as you are able to make contact with the grief the process speeds up considerably..
pakua said:...This seems to be saying that it only takes one person to initiate adoration/love, and then the second person suddenly starts to adore/love the first. This doesn't happen always, does it?
pakua said:What about those cases where A adores B, but B doesn't react, and further, may even come to despise A. What's happening there?
lightofreason said:But there is no contact - in passive transference the emotion is transferred but no history - IOW one finds the sensation of grief without anything to grieve about!
Chris.
bruce_g said:Thanks, Chris. Interesting pov. I didn't understand this however: "The focus in the traditional IC on not being able to appreciate it if less than 50 covers the issues of emotional experiences." 50 what?
lightofreason said:years of age.
martin said:I don't remember what the IC or Confucius says about it (only that he seems to have said once that he would like to have 50 years more to study the IC, or something like that). But Jung believed that certain developments (such as what he called 'individuation') belong to the later stages of life. Not sure how strictly he related this to biological age though. Some people grow up fast and already have a lot of (emotional) life experience when they are 20. As to the IC, I think there a quite a few young people on this forum who have a deep appreciation of the IC, perhaps deeper than grumpy old men like me.
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