Question about the core personality of someone / Hex. 13

[Lilly-La]

Sometime ago i did ask the Yi about someones personality / character at core. (Bear with me, i am not a native english speaker.) I did ask the Yi something like: if you would describe this persons personality in its essence what would it be like?

Got Hex 13.3.4 (Fellowship)

How would you read the answer? Anybody?
Thx

PS was just checking these emojies and found this one :hide: fitting Hex 13.3.4 )))

 

[deusa]

I asked the same question a couple of months ago and got 13.4.6>63

Can anybody help us?

 

[moss elk]

Looks like the reading was reflecting your apprehension of the person.

(and from this message you can logically deduce that it was saying your fears were unfounded about the person.)

 

[deusa]

Can you explain me a little bit more, please?
My reading is "people in harmony" in the context of "already across".
I am the one bestriding the city walls? I am the one afraid of being attacked (line 4)?
I could accept to meet outside the city walls and that is fine?
This is a reading i find difficult to interpret...

 

[rosada]

Lily,
I see Moss Elk's point, but if I Ching is describing the person's personality - and not your own - I think it's saying they tend to be very cautious (Love your emoji! Perfect!) and this may prevent them from participating fully in life. What do you see in it?

 

[moss elk]

We do have to take the time to understand when we are getting a direct answer,
and when we are being advised about the spinach in our teeth.
Because we do get both kinds of readings at times.

Which person do you think it was describing at the time?

(I went with it refering to your disposition because, well,
apprehension made you ask about the person. If you weren't having some doubts,
You wouldn't have asked.)

 

[equinox]

I would also say, that they tend to be cautious as its best and very standoffish as its worst.
But I don't really believe in the idea of a core character and in no way I believe that a third party could ever be sure about the core of the personality of another person.

 

[deusa]

So you think the Yi may be showing our own cautiousness?

 

[equinox]

Either this -- or maybe it is showing you one of many aspects of their personality that is important right now/ for the situation. I think that personality depends heavily on with whom one is interacting.
The idea of a character essence is to rigid for me, it suggests something unchangable. But humans can change a lot.

 

[deusa]

Personality is hard to change. It is the result of our experiences growing mixed with our genes, our personal characteristics.
What we can di is learn how to live with our way of being in the best possible way.
I wish there was a way of knowing if the answer is about me or about him...

 

[Trojina]

Personality is hard to change. It is the result of our experiences growing mixed with our genes, our personal characteristics.
What we can di is learn how to live with our way of being in the best possible way.
I wish there was a way of knowing if the answer is about me or about him...

I think it's a question with very little mileage. For a start what do you mean by 'personality', it isn't a fixed thing and it's not so easily quantifiable let alone with the I Ching. All you can do with this answer is guess 'oh he might be like this or that' which is a lot less useful than just going to spend some time with the person, seeing what they do and how they do it. I do not recommend imagining you can get a totally purely 'objective' snapshot of a person's inner core this way, even if they had a definable inner core that was open for you to scrutinize.

What is behind the question ? What do you really need to know ? If you need to know whether to trust the person then put yourself in the question and ask 'can you advise me about trusting him' something like that.


Even if someone had a really good go at saying what his personality was like via this reading it would just be an opinion and you'd be no further forward because you wouldn't know if it was true. There is no substitute for finding out about the person in real life. Also I don't think it's fair on that person, the subject of the reading. People he doesn't know weigh in to say what he's like without even knowing him so then you go into relation with him with possibly pre-conceived ideas which aren't helpful


Overall then I think you need to form questions more pertinent to yourself, questions with you in them. You can of course ask exactly whatever you like, it's just my opinion this is just not a helpful question. If the answer means something to you then it's a useful question because you know that person or know of them...but we don't. I'd just be guessing, making a description up from the lines doesn't seem fair to me on the person in question.

That's just my perspective FWIW, you can ask whatever you like but it doesn't seem worth you agonising over it .

 

[deusa]

What you say is right. It is not an Yi reading that will give me the best description of a character, although I had help once with a reading like this.

What you can help is describing the heaxgram.
For instance, somewhere Rosada described 34 as "doing the right thing", "being polite".
Thsi description helped me interpret a reading I had.
Always, our readings are personal and outside help is relative.
But you have helped me interpret readings of which you onew very little.

Yes, my problem is "can I trust him? Is somebody who lives up to his words or is he another one who says whatever and then doesn't act on it? Is he weak and passive or can I expect some strengh of character?"
Yes, time will tell. But the potential for pain is high. If I am advised to give-up, I will...

I am cautious...

 

[moss elk]

Lilly said personality, but meant character.

Yi is very very good at describing character and tendencies,
Patterns of behaviour and prone tendencies.
Otherwise it couldn't give us counsel.
(Because each of us has patterns and attributes going on.)

Sure, a person may change their character,
But still, they always have one.
And those that say they don't are unaware of themselves.

 

[rosada]

Okay, this is Lily's thread so I think we ought to get back to focusing on her.
What do you see in these lines Lily? Do you think the I Ching is saying you are the one being addressed in 13.3? That is, are you asking this question because you are wanting to be cautious before interacting with this person too much? Or does 13.3 seem to be describing him, is he being overly careful do you think?

Your question "What is his core personality?" was confusing because "personality" usually refers to a person's more superficial characteristics and you are wanting to know about his true nature. Like you might say of an unsuitable partner, "He had a loving personality but his true nature was to be a bachelor."
Or you might say of a difficult sibling, "He has an abrasive personality but in his heart I know he loves us." So here by asking about his "core personality" you may be being told he is cautious or lacks some social skills but I don't think this tells you what his deeper motivation is. Unless perhaps 63. After Completion is telling us that. Perhaps his core inner nature is that he likes to keep things in good order so his personality tends to be someone who appears to be cautious and to keep people at a distance.

You might experiment and ask about people you feel you know well and see how the I Ching describes their "core personality" and see if that gives you a clue as to how this question can be answered.

 

[Lilly-La]

Thanks Rosada...

My question refers to 'character/ nature' in English - in my language, German, we´d probably say 'personality' thanks for the english lecture Rosada, much appreciated!

No i ´m certainly not addressed. My question referred to someone i know and Yi gave a pretty good answer, me thinks. Still i was curious what other ppl read in the lines as i am biased. Lower social skills is something i would certainly add to my word-list below.

However, Hex13 line 3 and 4 seem to be quite similar. While line 3 does not attack, l.4 does but to no avail. This misfortune actually turns out to be healthy.

All in all words like: mistrust, suspiciousness, caution :bag:, single versus group, aggression, observing..come to my mind. And it seems good to give up the distance and attack ..
(I´m a teacher and sometimes i aks hesitant pupils to speak louder and be more forceful, so to say -> attack

Still in line 3 I see a grain of paranoia.

cu

 

[Lilly-La]

That is true.

There is no substitute for finding out about the person in real life.

I´m really into language and like playing around with words, synonyms and antonyms f. e. and symbols and metaphors etc.. Yi is of great help in that respect. To aks what is her/his nature and then believing you are done with 4 sentences is truely superficial. But it can add to ones notion or even challenge you (through words, metaphors, symbols etc.). That is enthralling to me.

 

[deusa]

Feom merriam-webster online dictionary
Personality: the complex of characteristics that distinguishes an individual or a nation or group; especially :the totality of an individual's behavioral and emotional characteristics

From a paychological/medical point of view, personality is something "core", that develops during childhood and gets better tuned during adolescence and it is VERY hard to change.
For instance, personality disorders are a stress to treat because impossible to change deeply. People with personality disorders learn how to live with their characteristics, but hardly ever change.
For example, if one is a introvert, one doesn't change to become an extrovert. One learns what being an introvert means and how to minimize the bad sides of it and maximize the good sides of it. With a big pinch of acceptance.

 

[equinox]

@lilly

That's so true and excactly the reason I love the I-Ching so much. It is the most eloquent and poetic oracle existing ... I think.

 

[rosada]

13.4
Climbed to the top of your city walls
No one is capable of attack.
Good fortune.
-Hilary

This line describes a situation where clear boundaries prevent the need to attack. If in a group everyone has their own space there are likely to be fewer arguments. "Good fences make good neighbors".

 

[deusa]

i found this interesting discussion on 13. hope it helps.

https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?6613-13-6-is-about-a-enlightened-relationship