Reading : hexagram 12 line 4 changing to 20

[sushi]

I have been having trouble in my relationship for several months now, and my partner is very stubborn. I asked the I-ching "is trying to talk to him a waste of my time?" and it gave me hexagram 12, line 4, changing to hexagram 20. I can't decide if it's saying that we are going to break up anyways, because it gave me hexagram 12. Line 4 sounds line he's just going to listen to his friends anyways. But hexagram 20 and the fact that line 4 is the first changing line that is moving away from the blockage makes me think that may he will start to hear what I have to say and might end up "seeing" things with clarity finally.

 

[rosada]

12. Stagnation changing to 20.View.
I think you are being advised that you two are having a hard time seeing each other's points of view so I think you are being advised that it would be good if you would talk. Line 4 says that if you have a clear strong vision of what you are wanting to get through to him you will have success and agreement. I think this means you should be sure to have a positive vision of how good you are or could be together and that's what you're wanting him to see. In other words you don't have a "mandate"- as my translation of 12.4 calls it - to just complain. You are supported as you strive to create order, not chaos.

good luck!
Rosada

 

[bradford]

Blockage or obstruction is a particularly bad translation of Hexagram 12s name. Whoever uses it fails to understand the basic idea. Things are moving in the opposite direction of that implied by obstruction. They are moving apart.

 

[ginnie]

I don't think it's saying you are going to break up anyway. Hexagram 12 indicates that there have been and continue to be breakdowns in communications. I agree with Rosada that you guys need to talk constructively -- and not complain. There is much you can do to remedy the situation. Gentleness and politeness can go a long way to smoothing the automatic responses of your stubborn partner. Try to keep in mind his good points, instead of the ways he is failing to live up to expectations!

 

[butterfly spider]

I always get a feeling that there is a river with a beaver building a dam - or blockage. The moving apart happens in he. 12 by gently making a channel for the water to continue. Everything to do with he. 12 to 20 shows that things will continue on IMO
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[sooo]

I can't speak to translation but I can speak from observation and practical experience.

The term obstruction and standstill are not accurate for 12. It is the opposite dynamic of 11.

Because a relationship is in a state of moving away from one another doesn't mean that condition is irreversible. The particles in the universe are moving away from each other, so the universe is currently in a state of 12. Physicists are divided in their theories as to whether this direction is and will be continual, or whether gravity - that is attraction - will at some point reverse their direction or polarity and begin to pull together again. This has been likened to the universe breathing. It can be the same with human relationships. Sometimes individuals need more space, sometimes they need more unity. A healthy relationship, like the universe, and like our own body, needs to breathe.

This simple illustration makes a case for attraction (11) being stronger than repulsion (12). I think it's an optimistic idea, though universally speaking, it's a choice between eternal separation or the reversing of the Big Bang to the Big Crunch, ending with all elements returning to its original infinitesimal dot from whence the Big Bang came, ending time and space, but will again become a Big Bang, the beginning of a new universe of time, space and matter. According to ancient Hindu Cosmology, this cycle occurs every 8.64 billion years. That's one deep breath!

[video=youtube;W5q47JJJAww]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W5q47JJJAww#t=0[/video]

 

[butterfly spider]

I think that the blockage is not actually hex 12 but 11 - by the time the water pushes the blockage apart (hex 12) the obstruction or blockage is there. Hexagram 12 is more to do with the moving apart of the blockage - I also think that hex 12 is not a forceful moving apart - more a gentle parting - like moving fighting toddlers - firm but gentle. More - I am just parting you for now.
A gentle no as in I am not cross and I don't want anything just move apart please ..

 

[sooo]

"Blockage" or Obstruction is clearly 39. Water meets mountain or hard obstruction and is forced back onto itself.

Continue debating this if anyone wishes. I've said all I have to say about this.

 

[butterfly spider]

Sushi
I hope that all of the answers have helped your query
I have been thinking of hex 12 and U really feel that your partners stubbornness can be gently shifted.
I hope all goes well
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