Shall I post this dream on Clarity? -- 16.4. > 2

[Hartloper]

Dear Clarity followers,

first time the Yi appeared in my dream.

I asked: how will it play out for me if I post this dream in the shared readings section of Clarity Forum?

Answer: 16.4. > 2

I take that as a: Do it!


DREAM

I go to a public screening of a film I recently created with my 9-year old daughter.
I ask her whether she would like to join me for the screening or spend time in the child care section of the movie theatre. There is a tower that spurts colorful little balls into a pool for the children to play and bath in them. My daughter opts for the play area.

I feel a little apprehensive about leaving her there, but see she will have the time of her life.

The movie theatre is packed. Nobody knows I am one of the creators of the film. There is a petite Italian woman next to me with very benevolent and intelligent eyes, presumably in her mid to late forties with a slightly crooked nose. When the movie is over she tacitly gives me an Italian 1-Euro coin and a tiny snow globe (a miniature earth actually). At closer sight it turns into a sphere of purple haze with a kind of sigil in the center (reminiscent of a chakra sign).

I also see an inscription inside. It reads: I Ging -- East.

The movie is very well received and I leave the theatre casually flipping the 1 Euro coin with my right hand and my little earth / snow globe in the left hand. My daughter meets me in the lobby. She asks me for a 1-Euro coin for the bubble gum machine (the gum balls look just like the balls from the ball bath). I only have the Euro the Italian woman gave to me, which I am reluctant to relinquish as it feels like a personal talisman, but then pull myself together and give her the coin. She gets three gum balls, one blue, one red, one yellow. It turns out every one of them hides a 1-Euro coin, one Finnish, one Greek, one German.

Of course, my daughter wants the snow globe also. We agree to share it and choose a special place for it in the living room. I leave the theatre with a deep sense of serenity and ease.

I would appreciate your comments and thoughts regarding the dream and / or reading.


Many Thanks,

jd

 

[dfreed]

DREAM

Thanks for sharing. Just to clarify, you're asking us to interpret / comment on your dream, and not a Yi casting, correct? Thanks.

 

[Hartloper]

Hi dfreed,

Thanks for your response

jd

 

[dfreed]

DREAM - I go to a public screening of a film I recently created with my 9-year old daughter ....

A few thoughts:

One option for you would be to do a reading about your actual dream (and not just a reading about the outcome of posting your dream on this forum). You could post this to Shared Readings if you want people's interpretations and ideas.

Here's an example where I did a reading on a dream I had (though it's within a thread that's more broadly about our 'experience regarding dreams').

I think that doing readings about our dreams can yield interesting and insightful results; I've even done this with dreams I hardly remember or only have remember snippets of.

About some specific parts of your dream:

I Ging -- East.

One traditional association for trigram Thunder is with the direct East, and also with early morning and the beginning of the new year - early Spring in the traditional Chinese reckoning. So, perhaps this is a 'sign' pointing you in a new direction - to the potential for a new or fresh way of seeing and being.

The Tower

I know very little about Tarot. However, Bradford Hatcher's "Tarot as a Counseling Language" webpage gives some ideas about the Tower which I found interesting:

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One of his associations - or 'correspondences' with this card is with trigram Thunder.​

​

Also, I gleaned from his take on this card a sense of the meanings for, and 'definitions' of:​

​

The convergent or Thunder-like, and the divergent or Wind-like paths or ways of being for: Thunder is sudden and forceful, whereas Wind is more gentle and long-lasting, (With trigram Thunder and Wind being the opposite of each other, with all of their solid and broken lines switched)​

Though not really 'opposites', this reminds me of the 'paths' your daughter and you took in the dream: you each decided to do different things, but in the end you came back together to share coins and snow globes - and you leave together and you "leave the theatre with a deep sense of serenity and ease".

For me, all of the trigrams - as well as the hexagrams, etc. - have both positive and negative (balanced / unbalanced; opportune / challenging, etc.) aspects to them, though in your dream I sense more of the 'positive' aspects. On another Tarot website, I read these ideas associated with the 'thunder-lightning' aspect of this card, and not so much the Tower:

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* Lightning breaks existing templates to create opportunities for new things (Me: perhaps new ways of thinking and perceiving).​

​

* Lightning as a sudden feeling of inspiration that breaks through ignorance.​

​

* Sudden changes of perception that can (might) ... turn all of our previous thoughts upside down.​

​

* 'Unbalanced' thunder arouses anxiety (e.g. thunder, broken boulders) – which is not welcomed by those who does not like change.​

​

* Sudden change might sometimes feels that it is happening too fast and suddenly.​

Best, D

 

[Trojina]

First step for me when wanting to understand a dream is to locate where in your current waking life you feel/have felt the feelings in the dream.

There doesn't seem to be many feelings/reports of feelings in the dream? Will reread to see if I missed those.

 

[dfreed]

First step for me when wanting to understand a dream is to locate where in your current waking life you feel/have felt the feelings in the dream.

Similarly, I will try to sense how I feel upon waking - how did I feel in the dream and/or upon waking, how do I feel when I think about this dream? I've had dreams where they seemed joyful - at least when I thought about them - but revealed other aspects when I recalled how I felt in the dream - or how it made me feel afterwards.

Best, D.

 

[Liselle]

Another thing I noticed was how you thought the coin was special and shouldn't be used in a gumball machine, but then you changed your mind.

This is probably silly, but it's something that occasionally comes up here and it reminds me of something Hilary has addressed from time to time. Is there any way in which you feel you have to use a lot of ritual with your divination practices? That is perfectly fine, a lot of people find it helpful, but if anything you do along those lines feels like it gets in the way, or you're doing it because it's "a rule" or something - it's okay to stop, just like it was okay to buy a gumball with the coin.

 

[Liselle]

If none of that applies, obviously ignore... that's why I said it was probably silly.

 

[Hartloper]

Thanks a lot for your replies, Liselle, dfreed and Trojina, greatly appreciated

I‘ll look into them more over the weekend. Would just like to share that I went pumpkin shopping today, because my daughter really wanted to carve one for Halloween, and when I got a random Euro coin from my wallet to put it into the shopping cart I noticed it was an Italian one! I live in Northern Europe, so it is a rather striking coincidence (and the other ones I had in my wallet turned out to be a Greek and a German one, just like in the dream, only missing the Finnish one — I swear I‘m not making this up)

 

[Hartloper]

First step for me when wanting to understand a dream is to locate where in your current waking life you feel/have felt the feelings in the dream.

There doesn't seem to be many feelings/reports of feelings in the dream? Will reread to see if I missed those.

Hi Trojina,

I was musing about that "feeling tone" of the dream last night. Then I fell asleep and actually found myself sitting next to that Italian woman in the movie theatre again and looked at the little earth globe with the sigil and "I Ging - EAST" inscription. The Latin lettering turned into Hexagram 24.

thank you,

j

 

[Hartloper]

Another thing I noticed was how you thought the coin was special and shouldn't be used in a gumball machine, but then you changed your mind.

This is probably silly, but it's something that occasionally comes up here and it reminds me of something Hilary has addressed from time to time. Is there any way in which you feel you have to use a lot of ritual with your divination practices? That is perfectly fine, a lot of people find it helpful, but if anything you do along those lines feels like it gets in the way, or you're doing it because it's "a rule" or something - it's okay to stop, just like it was okay to buy a gumball with the coin.

Hi Liselle,

thanks for your response. I certainly don't think it's silly. I didn't see a connection to the dream at first, but it does make perfect sense when you consider the three coins (--> coin tossing! -- which I have never used, btw)

best,

jd

 

[Hartloper]

A few thoughts:

One option for you would be to do a reading about your actual dream (and not just a reading about the outcome of posting your dream on this forum). You could post this to Shared Readings if you want people's interpretations and ideas.

Here's an example where I did a reading on a dream I had (though it's within a thread that's more broadly about our 'experience regarding dreams').

I think that doing readings about our dreams can yield interesting and insightful results; I've even done this with dreams I hardly remember or only have remember snippets of.

About some specific parts of your dream:


One traditional association for trigram Thunder is with the direct East, and also with early morning and the beginning of the new year - early Spring in the traditional Chinese reckoning. So, perhaps this is a 'sign' pointing you in a new direction - to the potential for a new or fresh way of seeing and being.


I know very little about Tarot. However, Bradford Hatcher's "Tarot as a Counseling Language" webpage gives some ideas about the Tower which I found interesting:

​

One of his associations - or 'correspondences' with this card is with trigram Thunder.​

​

Also, I gleaned from his take on this card a sense of the meanings for, and 'definitions' of:​

​

The convergent or Thunder-like, and the divergent or Wind-like paths or ways of being for: Thunder is sudden and forceful, whereas Wind is more gentle and long-lasting, (With trigram Thunder and Wind being the opposite of each other, with all of their solid and broken lines switched)​

Though not really 'opposites', this reminds me of the 'paths' your daughter and you took in the dream: you each decided to do different things, but in the end you came back together to share coins and snow globes - and you leave together and you "leave the theatre with a deep sense of serenity and ease".

For me, all of the trigrams - as well as the hexagrams, etc. - have both positive and negative (balanced / unbalanced; opportune / challenging, etc.) aspects to them, though in your dream I sense more of the 'positive' aspects. On another Tarot website, I read these ideas associated with the 'thunder-lightning' aspect of this card, and not so much the Tower:

​

* Lightning breaks existing templates to create opportunities for new things (Me: perhaps new ways of thinking and perceiving).​

​

* Lightning as a sudden feeling of inspiration that breaks through ignorance.​

​

* Sudden changes of perception that can (might) ... turn all of our previous thoughts upside down.​

​

* 'Unbalanced' thunder arouses anxiety (e.g. thunder, broken boulders) – which is not welcomed by those who does not like change.​

​

* Sudden change might sometimes feels that it is happening too fast and suddenly.​

Best, D

Hi dfreed,

thanks for taking the time to share this valuable information.

The link to the thread about using Yi Jing for dream interpretation is super interesting! I will try that.

And what you say about "thunder" and its relation to both the cardinal direction "east" and the Tarot Tower makes perfect sense to me.

I also found this quote about zhen/thunder (it's from Harmen Mesker's site I believe):

"5. God comes forth in the sign of the Arousing. All living things come forth in the sign of the Arousing. The Arousing stands in the east."

Best, j

 

[dfreed]

"5. God comes forth in the sign of the Arousing. All living things come forth in the sign of the Arousing. The Arousing stands in the east."

This is from the Shougua, eight part or 'wing' of the Ten Wings commentary; this one is sometimes referred to as "Explanation of the Hexagrams and Trigrams". This line is one of many explaining the meanings and relationships between the trigrams.

For example, it also says "Thus God" (or the creative, or the Dao, etc.) ....
"manifests in Li (trigram light)
"gladdens in Dui (trigram lake)" ... and so forth.

an academic philosopher

Not being an academic, nor a Tarot reader myself, and remembering that this is your dream - and not mine - one thing that strikes me is the idea that your daughter went off on her own, but then you two came back together. It made me wonder, if this is a new phase in your relationship - a sign of her increasing independence, and a sign you're okay with it? It brings to mind the idea of the young princess being freed from an (or her) ivory tower. But that's just me ruminating some about your dream.

Best, d

 

[Hartloper]

yes, that makes sense

thank you, j

 

[Hartloper]

striking

 

[Hartloper]

Another thing I noticed was how you thought the coin was special and shouldn't be used in a gumball machine, but then you changed your mind.

This is probably silly, but it's something that occasionally comes up here and it reminds me of something Hilary has addressed from time to time. Is there any way in which you feel you have to use a lot of ritual with your divination practices? That is perfectly fine, a lot of people find it helpful, but if anything you do along those lines feels like it gets in the way, or you're doing it because it's "a rule" or something - it's okay to stop, just like it was okay to buy a gumball with the coin.

thanks again, Liselle, that really got me musing

 

[Hartloper]

Really thankful for your comments, Trojina, Liselle and dfreed. I believe they were great catalysts.

HAPPY HALLOWEEN TO EVERYBODY!

 

[Hartloper]

First step for me when wanting to understand a dream is to locate where in your current waking life you feel/have felt the feelings in the dream.

There doesn't seem to be many feelings/reports of feelings in the dream? Will reread to see if I missed those.

Time for a radical change of perspective, it seems
j