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So as 53 means progress, that would point towards something good however De Korne interprets line 3 as a ''fruitless endeavour'' (B. Arid speculation abandons its foundation in basic reality. You waste your energy on illusions – -- nothing will come of it. ,D. You’re blowing energy on a fruitless endeavor.). Also there are very bad sounding descirptions of changing lines in Hex 29 - Forest/Danger/Abbyss. I wonder why? My position at my current work is stagnant but stable - both with management and the team. Money wise it is okay (of course it would be nice to have more money due to uncertain rental situation in this city). But I wonder whether additional stress or maybe the nature of work (target driven and rather stresful) would be a good choice for me now.. maybe this is what I Ching is trying to tell me. That it would be better to avoid it?I also asked if I should NOT apply for this position and stay at my current workplace? ReceivedHex 53.2.3.6>29
So, in one of the desriptions I read that this result can help me recognize my own ''shadow'' - is this ''shadow'' my own fear from facing new big challenges and thus, choosing pleasant stagnation? But is it stagnation if I use those conditions to slowly progress in my life, step by step?What do you guys think? (yes, even you Trojina I might have really misunderstood your understanding of my sentence ''to wind him up'' - as this sentence has completely diff meanings in the US and in Ireland. Accept my apologies.Hex 55.4>36
And I'm only worried about my health this job has description of being a contact centre including in bound phone calls from clients and my heart was ruined by working in a call center before.. Maybe I was too quick to send the application without full understanding what's the position I'm applying for and I wasted this referral (they would do it for any position..) and maybe thus is what Oracle means by saying "fruitless endeavour" and that nothing will come out of it because I won't risk my health again..
I'm applying for and I wasted this referral (they would do it for any position..) and maybe thus is what Oracle means by saying "fruitless endeavour" and that nothing will come out of it because I won't risk my health again
I'm applying for and I wasted this referral (they would do it for any position..) and maybe thus is what Oracle means by saying "fruitless endeavour" and that nothing will come out of it because I won't risk my health again
should I apply for this job? Hex 53.2.3.6>29
NOTES AND PARAPHRASES
Siu: The man goes too far and plunges into struggles beyond what is required by the natural laws of development. He loses his way. His life and family are jeopardized. He will regain his advantage if he does not provoke conflicts but uses his strength more in guarding his own position in line with his available resources and capabilities.
Wing: If you provoke a conflict or make a bold and forceful advance, you will place yourself and those close to you in danger. This is a foolish risk indeed. You would be much wiser to allow things to develop naturally and, instead, secure what you have.
Editor: This is an image of an aborted synthesis: we see Gradual Progress halted and dissipated in fruitless stagnation. Goose: Sensation and emotion under the influence of thought. Dry Plains: Infertile prospects: an area of futile speculation or endeavor. Wilhelm's rendering of "plateau" emphasizes a horizontal rather than vertical orientation -- reinforcing the image of no increase, no progress. Husband and wife: Union of thought and feeling, intellect and emotion. Child: The product, the ongoing evolution of thought and feeling within the psyche. Plunderers: Divisive, disruptive elements which bring about the separation of what is united. This estrangement brings a halt to the progress of the Work. Ritsema/ Karcher’s “Radiance flocking demons indeed” can represent inner complexes, phobias, compulsions, etc. The best course is to re-organize and defend yourself against further loss. Siu’s paraphrase says it best.
Thus [the patient] is still in an undesirably passive condition where everything is rather uncertain and questionable; neither he nor I know the journey's end. Often it is not much more than a groping about in Egyptian darkness. In this condition we must not expect any very startling results -- the uncertainty is too great for that. Besides which there is always the risk that what we have woven by day the night will unravel. The danger is that nothing is achieved, that nothing remains fixed.
Jung -- The Practice of Psychotherapy
A. Image of a stalemate caused by unbalanced forces of some sort – perhaps a severely limiting belief. Withdraw support from this indulgence!
B. Arid speculation abandons its foundation in basic reality. You waste your energy on illusions – -- nothing will come of it.
C. Logos departs, Eros aborts -- defend the Work.
D. You’re blowing energy on a fruitless endeavor.
Yes, thats the thing. I don't know what the robbers might represent - I live a very balanced healthy life. I also noticed the different versions of the geese stories. It is said that with 3 changing lines the middle one is the most important? And it sounds the worst [the two others are actually very positive in this Hex]. But then again, Hex 29 doesnt sound positive at all. " Wilhelm/Baynes: Forward and backward, abyss on abyss. In danger like this, pause at first and wait, otherwise you will fall into a pit in the abyss. Do not act in this way. Blofeld: Abyss upon abyss rears up and the danger is acute. He falls into a cranny and there is nothing he can do to help himself. Liu: Water flows on and on. One is in the pit of the abyss. Danger. Do not act." I really don't know but my only and main concern is whether my health can hold up to the prolonged stress? No amount of money is worth more than my own health and I don't want to repeat a mistake I did years ago (by going to that banking call center job.)Today I asked I Ching "If I will start working on that position I applied for, would my health hold up and I will manage my stress levels?" and received Hex 61.5>41That's the story of your question. You are worried about line 3 in particular so what might it mean in relation to your question ?
So Line-5"If I will start working on that position I applied for, would my health hold up and I will manage my stress levels?" Hex 61.5>41
and Line-5 from Hex 41"Legge: The fifth line, dynamic, shows its subject perfectly sincere, and linking others to him in closest union. There will be no error. Wilhelm/Baynes: He possesses truth, which links together. No blame. Blofeld: He seems to be pulled forward by his confidence in what he is doing -- no error!"
So this sounds much more optimistic to me somehow."Legge: The fifth line, magnetic, shows parties adding to the stores of its subject ten pairs of tortoise shells, and accepting no refusal. There will be great good fortune. Wilhelm/Baynes: Someone does indeed increase him. Ten pairs of tortoises cannot oppose it. Supreme good fortune."
Yes, thats the thing. I don't know what the robbers might represent - I live a very balanced healthy life. I also noticed the different versions of the geese stories. It is said that with 3 changing lines the middle one is the most important? And it sounds the worst [the two others are actually very positive in this Hex].
But then again, Hex 29 doesnt sound positive at all. " Wilhelm/Baynes: Forward and backward, abyss on abyss. In danger like this, pause at first and wait, otherwise you will fall into a pit in the abyss. Do not act in this way. Blofeld: Abyss upon abyss rears up and the danger is acute. He falls into a cranny and there is nothing he can do to help himself. Liu: Water flows on and on. One is in the pit of the abyss. Danger. Do not act." I really don't know but my only and main concern is whether my health can hold up to the prolonged stress? No amount of money is worth more than my own health and I don't want to repeat a mistake I did years ago (by going to that banking call center job.)
Today I asked I Ching "If I will start working on that position I applied for, would my health hold up and I will manage my stress levels?" and received Hex 61.5>41
Well if my landlords would decide to not sell the flat, then I could reconsider staying in my current job and just enjoy one more year of stability and fairly good salary (okay it requires me to save and cut short on some unnecessary stuff but thats only for the good as I dont spend money on worthless things/activities). Of course higher salary from that new work place would give me more freedom in regards to renting in this city.I think either it allows you to fly entirely clear of your current role or you move beyond the need for the new job, maybe another job or something comes up ?
Even funnier, in the past I heard that the first Hex you get is your present situation and the 2nd one is where you will end up if following the I Ching predictions... so many ways of interpretations.Well 29 was the relating hexagram, it shows where you are now in relation to this.
Interview is quite certain due to that referral that was secured by a middle management from within the company. This is why I feel stupid by not reading the small print. Normally if I saw "inbound phone calls" I would just wait for some other position opening in that company that does not require working as a front liner... I was also thinking that maybe the ''robbers'' mentioned in the initial Hex might be some people I will end up working with gossiping about me getting the position unfairly (through that referral)
The funniest thing is that I did not asked for it, I simply asked for advice on the interviews... Well if my landlords would decide to not sell the flat, then I could reconsider staying in my current job and just enjoy one more year of stability and fairly good salary (okay it requires me to save and cut short on some unnecessary stuff but thats only for the good as I dont spend money on worthless things/activities). Of course higher salary from that new work place would give me more freedom in regards to renting in this city.
Even funnier, in the past I heard that the first Hex you get is your present situation and the 2nd one is where you will end up if following the I Ching predictions... so many ways of interpretations.
And this means that *there are no* fixed rules in itself... it means that for example if I had used the system with three lines changing - middle ones being the most significant one, and I've found out that during my castings the results were congruent with this method of reading, I adopt it and continue using it. Why? Because the LINK between my conscious and subconscious has been achieved and for *me* this way works and provides measurable results. But it might be slightly different for someone else. Just like I know what my subconscious is trying to tell me when I dream of my childhood home having a flood and electric sockets being faulty in the kitchen... but that is language of my own subconscious. It will probably mean entirely different things for everyone else - hope that does make sense. Same with asking questions. I don't need to ask "whether this job will be good for me?" because deep down intuitively I know that this is exactly the answer I am looking for when asking for "whether I should apply there". It's about this communication, this interface and learning of this language when one can really have intimate connection with the Oracle. It's only a tool, but ultimately we are only talking with ourselves.conscious mind - > I ching -> subconscious.
I've read the https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2013/06/01/the-old-resulting-hexagram-conundrum/ and someone in that topic also mentions that with three changing lines the middle one is the most important (middle way!) or when you have five - you check the one that's unchanging, and it all feels very intuitive...
I don't agree that with 4 or 5 changing lines every line matters. It only makes the result chaotic.
But I have different approach to this. As with every divination system, it is about the interface. I Ching is the interface that we use to communicate with our subconscious.
So, And this means that *there are no* fixed rules in itself... it means that for example if I had used the system with three lines changing - middle ones being the most significant one, and I've found out that during my castings the results were congruent with this method of reading, I adopt it and continue using it.
Why? Because the LINK between my conscious and subconscious has been achieved and for *me* this way works and provides measurable results. But it might be slightly different for someone else.
Just like I know what my subconscious is trying to tell me when I dream of my childhood home having a flood and electric sockets being faulty in the kitchen... but that is language of my own subconscious. It will probably mean entirely different things for everyone else - hope that does make sense.
Same with asking questions. I don't need to ask "whether this job will be good for me?" because deep down intuitively I know that this is exactly the answer I am looking for when asking for "whether I should apply there". It's about this communication, this interface and learning of this language when one can really have intimate connection with the Oracle. It's only a tool, but ultimately we are only talking with ourselves.
YesYou mean someone mentioned this in the comments ?
Measurable results, for myself. It's hard to explain. But I'll try. If I was going to overindulgence myself in alcohol, and asked I Ching whether this was to bring me a good time, I received a scalding answer sort of ''are you nuts? who you think you are? You've completely lost your way, you going to spoil the Work''. Ok? This sort of answer happens every time when I ask something like this, even when my conscious/ego and life situation / health is so perfect that I would cause no longterm harm to myself by doing this. But still I receive such answers. So, this is how I learned that I Ching is the real thing and the castings aren't some sort of random stuff that is only interpreted to match our question. But there is only one way to learn it: one has to start doing the castings and paying attention.Measurable results ? I don't think the I Ching is something that produces measurable results. Indeed I find the whole idea of Yi as giving 'results' too much a mechanical attitude to divination. I cannot relate to the idea of measurable results with the I Ching. I don't see Yi as any kind of 'tool' that is there to serve and to produce results,,,,all that misses the point of it altogether which is to talk to you.
Agreed.There are no fixed rules no. How could there be really. Having said that I do think there is information that is unhelpful for newbies such as fixed rules about only reading the line that doesn't change etc etc. I agree if a person finds such a method works for them over a period of time then why shouldn't they use it. As a starting point for working with the I Ching however it's not useful at all.
Yes, I also agree. I don't want to go into too many details but actually for me my own subconscious is connected to the infinite divine source. So yes, I am communicating with myself - but everything is one/connected. So it is also communicating with the greater intelligence. If we call it God, Universe, Energy, infinite power of our subconscious mind, yellow banana or whatever - doesn't matter that much. language often creates confusionI don't think it's a tool and I don't think you are talking to your subconscious either. I think you are tapping into a greater intelligence, not your subconscious, You can tell this when you get answers that shock you, that you don't expect, rude answers.
Should I go there this Saturday? Hex 11.1>46
Isn't it funny I got the same Hex 11 in both options? PS. Of course I might also interpret this wrongly. I am now looking at the 1st Hex that I got, and the 2nd Hex as a relating one - depicting my current-situation, sort of. Hope that is correct.Should I don't go there this Saturday? Hex 11.3>19
A quick example - my work colleague invited me for BBQ this Saturday. There probably will be 2 people I had negative experiences [gossip, backstabbing, going silent and expecting me to always initiate contact etc] in the past in this job [they no longer work here] and of course alcohol. So I am pretty certain I should not go there. However, I Ching said that at this time it would be better for me to go! (Maybe to face my own fears regarding those people somehow?)Isn't it funny I got the same Hex 11 in both options? PS. Of course I might also interpret this wrongly. I am now looking at the 1st Hex that I got, and the 2nd Hex as a relating one - depicting my current-situation, sort of. Hope that is correct.
Yes! I feel exactly the same way about this. I'm glad that we are connecting again (both me and I Ching and me and you ) Thank you! On a funny twist, one of those 2 people I had those negative experiences before also applied to the same position I did - and also asked for a referral BUT supposedly she did it too late (but she is a kind of person that tells lies left and right, so who knows!) it would be unfortunate if we ought to meet again and work together in a small team. I'd rather avoid that, ha!The reason you weren't going was because of 2 people but I feel Yi is saying in the whole scheme of the great flow of 11 they really aren't important enough to stop you going and getting benefit from going.
On the other hand (my own rational mind) I dont know how much positive change can bring going to a traditional alcohol-filled random meeting [I stopped going to those long time ago!] but hey. Let's find out.Seems to me going to the BBQ puts you in the flow of things and enables you to make creative connections by which I mean connections that move your life forward, that bring change
On the other hand (my own rational mind) I dont know how much positive change can bring going to a traditional alcohol-filled random meeting [I stopped going to those long time ago!] but hey.
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