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hi dear all
i still have not understand in the iching the meaning of the lines.
each single line, in an hexagram, has a specific meaning. when each of this line is moving, we go to read that meaning.
does that meaning applies only when they are movable, or are those comments for each single line valid within the interpretation of the hexagram itself?
Hi Robibiro,
Elvis (alias Chris Lofting) is explaining his own unique view of the I Ching that ignores most reasonable scholarship. The hexagrams in his list are merely those with one Yang line in that place and the other 5 open Yin places.
The other hexagrams are made up of "adding" two of these single Yang line hexagrams to yield hexagrams of two Yang lines and 4 Yin lines.
How this relates to the meaning of the hexagrams is only relevant to those who believe the I Ching hexagrams are simply a binary counter and any operations of binary math reveal its ultimate meaning. As noted in Elvis' signature you would need to read his website to find his views, the rest of us find them peculiar based upon our scholarship and personal views (to which Chris replies with angry personal attacks to prove himself).
Frank
does that meaning applies only when they are movable, or are those comments for each single line valid within the interpretation of the hexagram itself?
Hilary as been complaining about your style of prose re personal attacks Frank (and not just against me) but since you choose to ignore her it becomes obvious that such association of "scholarship" and "Frank-Kegan" is an oxymoron.
oh, and if you like, I can play 'references at 10 paces' ANYTIME dude! - I DO know my stuff.
Hi Elvis,
I thank you for your response.
Have you ever worked with anyone else or solely on your own in various fields of music and computers or reading articles?
Do you consider anyone who completes their degrees over educated or just those who don't agree with you?
Sitting at the feet of major mentors, I believe is an essential part of the process of learning to subject one's own ideas to rigorous discipline and empirical verification as well as learning what excellence in one or more fields is truly all about.
Different strokes for different folks. Personally I prefer Jean Piaget, William of Ockham and Pythagoras to anything and everything done with relay switches, transistors or microchips.But then I prefer the eternal to the trendy technology of the day whether clockworks, telephones or computers (or other metaphors for the universe or the mind).
does that meaning applies only when they are movable, or are those comments for each single line valid within the interpretation of the hexagram itself?
We can also map each line to a particular hexagram where such reflects the nature of the line POSITION. Thus line position 1 covers 'beginnings/cycle return' etc and reflects the qualities of hexagram 24....
6 - 23
Chris, curious about that work on Space/Time still unpublished. Can you share more about it?
Hi Elvis,
Again I thank you for your exposition of your perspective.
I take it from your remarks that we agree that at least a Bachelor's degree is an important and universal part of one's education. What was your major and year of graduation?
I am delighted to hear you have supporters and discussion groups of your views. In terms of your education with the I Ching, what brought you to start your study in the late 60's--did you cast oracles for your own personal questions?
And what led you away from divination to recast the I Ching in terms of binary dichotomy?
I do not agree with IDM, whether that is a result of my errors or yours I make no comment. My interest in nerve cells back in the day dealt with the theoretical biophysical issues of the nerve cell wall, the Na+/K+ ion balance and the complexities of the control of nerve firings by interactions between the atoms of the cell wall and the addition, subtraction and other relations of the input of other cell firings.
Also how it isn't just the binary firing/not firing but the rhythms of background firings and specific nerve transmissions that receive their meaning from the context within which they are received by nerve cell structures in the brain.
However returning to this thread, about the meaning of single lines, could you explain:
how hex 23 expresses the qualities of the Sage rather then the final line of hexagram matrix, highlighting The Next...
Hi Elvis,
Again I thank you for your statement of your views. Your comments speak for themselves.
I do not find them persuasive or even logical but each to their own.
Have you spent 4 decades studying the I Ching without any divination of the Oracle? Interesting.
Didn't quite catch how hex 23 expresses the nature of line 6 as the sage as its essence rather than just an incidental of all the other associations you find.
I notice that you tend to answer questions by repeating your text rather than making actual logical arguments on point. Interesting perspective.
Frank
Hi Elvis,
Yes, I don't just follow links. In discussion one is expected to make a logical reply rather than just demand a re-reading of prior materials. It is the quality of your live responses that interests others to look at the rest of your work.
However, returning to this thread and the notion of the meaning of single lines of I Ching Oracles. Let me suggest you give a live example of your Emotional I Ching technique upon the question of your own Oracle of hex 1.7 that you posted in my two natural number challenge.
Hi Elvis,
The idea was for you to show an example of your answering your own questions in terms of yourself. As I suspected you aren't capable of that.
Of course we also managed to do major creative innovation in our fields as well as finish our degrees and earn respect from science faculty for our creativity and scientific excellence.
I have done that before but not for a result of 01 to 02 which covers a situation of full actualisation converting to nothing but potentials - each question answered reflects an issue of uncertainty in assessment -what was apparently yang is no more etc.
Hi Elvis,
There's a language element to your work yet you reject the whole Chinese language I Ching? You are building binary dichotomy alternatives to the numbers or hexagrams (have you sorted out the difference yet?) but you reject all of Pythagoras?
Are you aware that you alter the content of your arguments in each post? That explains why you cite heaps of your references all together, you apparently only notice some piece of your text that might be relevant expecting folks to find that nugget in your stuff and not notice the other things that contradict them. Have you ever considered attempting to get your theories and perspectives into a single, consistent perspective? Or is that too much of a cage for your free spirit?
By the way 1-ness is called Unity or the Monad which is unique.
Tried using a dice cube for insight?
I read it back in the day (even bought a copy I still have on my bookshelf now). A friend of mine was quite taken by the book and since I cast the Yi Oracle thought it relevant. Did you notice it was a parody of '60's New Age stuff and the use of astrology and Yi Oracles as observed and misunderstood by the author-- a journalist of the day?Ever read "The Dice Man" Frank?
I go where the neurology work takes me Frank - and that means a focus on meaning generation at levels 'beneath' those of the Chinese language or Pythagoras' numeric mysticism.
the Ph.D. degree is the place for Piled Higher and Deeper. Do you expect to knock both Wilhelm and Proust into a cocked hat when you full text is published?EIC book is out. IDM book is on the way Frank.
You use XOR to identify that expression.
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