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I'd like to invite other opinions on how you view this Sage or this mysterious kindred spirit that speaks to us through the I Ching. Thank you.:bows:
The Yi's word for sage is "sheng ren" meaning a wise or reverent person.
Couldn't that also be literally translated as "soul man"?
For some reason I thought I recall sheng meaning soul.
Many. Take your pick:Is there a word Ti?
The Yi's word for sage is "sheng ren" meaning a wise or reverent person. Neither wisdom nor reverence require a deity. The Yi itself describes human religious activity, sacrifice, setting up temples, etc., but it is far more concerned with the attitudes of the worshipers and, conspicuously, never sets forth any religious doctrine.
I have tried to find "sheng ren" in my different versions and could not find it exactly as such.
at Warp, Weft and Way for suggesting that Chinese terms such as "shengren" should be left untranslated.
How would you translate Junzi, Bradford? Is it what Karcher calls Chün tzu? You probably don't like Karcher, but he translates it as "ideal of a person who uses divination to order his/her life in accordance with tao rather than wilful intention." That still relates to the querent, not to the voice that speaks through the oracle.
If you don't like the word God then don't use it. But don't expect everyone else to follow suit. If it is there it is there. If it is not it is not. Who cares?! If you don't like Carol Anthony then don't use her. The I Ching is what it is. You aren't going to change it. But it is very presumptuous to insist that a book should be what you want it to be rather than what it is. Good God, ya all. And it is presumptuous to presume that you have a light greater than that of the sacred texts. Were you there when Orion was created? If not, you don't know all that much do you?
Get what you can out of the I Ching or any other book you deem worthy. But to think that there are not deeper levels of meaning than the surface is foolish to say the least. When your mind matures, so will the level of understanding you receive from it. It would not be wise to let likes and dislikes keep you from the deeper truths.
Gene
I know my English is not that good..
As to you Luis, the sages are not quite THE Sage as Carol K. Anthony describes him, am I wrong? You probably don't like Carol K. Anthony anyway, either. I feel like I'm bringing a knife into a gunfight. I am not a sinologue but I'm learning a lot from you, guys.
Mine is an intuitive approach to the Yi, totally deprived of any intellectual intention.
Could have fooled me. Gene aside, that was one of the most stimulating posts I've read here in a long time.
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